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Re: Annual Blue Hill Observatory Climate Data
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#bothsides

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Re: Annual Blue Hill Observatory Climate Data
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I don't actually keep up with the massive piles of posts from both sides, but even so, the issue of colder winters (with more snow of course) is a bone of contention.  Alarmists either deny it is happening, or turn around and say it proves warming.

Deniers say it isn't happening, or that it is natural variability.
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Re: Annual Blue Hill Observatory Climate Data
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Well, both sides are right on that one, because it's not happening. You could cherry-pick a given start date to show it happening when you first started getting obsessed with it in 2012 or so, but after the last few winters, it sure as hell isn't happening now. Unless you're talking about a one-year trend starting in 2016.

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Well, both sides are right on that one, because it's not happening.
What do you mean by "it"?


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Meanwhile, back in the actual real world ...
Extreme cold winters fuelled by jet stream and climate change
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The research, carried out by an international team of scientists including the University of Sheffield, has found that warming in the Arctic may be intensifying the effects of the jet stream's position, which in the winter can cause extreme cold weather, such as the winter of 2014/15 which saw record snowfall levels in New York.

Scientists previously had two schools of thought. One group believe that natural variability in the jet stream's position has caused the recent severe cold winter weather seen in places such as the Eastern United States and the UK. The other camp includes scientists who are finding possible connections between the warming of the Arctic - such as melting sea ice, warming air temperatures, and rising sea surface temperatures - and the emerging pattern of severe cold winter weather.

More intense winters (and their increased frequency) are a new phenomenon courtesy of a warming Arctic.

Super-cold winters in the UK and US are due to Arctic warming

And of course the extreme (and record) cold is hand in hand with record amounts of snow, because that is exactly what the data and scientific knowledge of weather both predicts, and explains.  Despite what any idiot tries to tell you otherwise.

The areas that should experience more snow because the oceans are warmer, like Greenland, high mountains, and maybe Antarctica, those regions we expect to see more snow when the oceans are warmer.  But that isn't what the studies are about.  Blue Hill is a good proxy for Boston climate change, because of it's location, and it's careful data gathering.

And of course it shows exactly what we know is reality.  As winters trend colder, snow amounts trend up.

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Actual scientist know that mid latitude NH winters have been getting colder (not the arctic for the most part) , and they are in different camps.
 
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Scientists have been divided over the cause of recent cold winters. One camp believes they are merely the result of natural jet stream variability, but the other is convinced there is a connection with global warming.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2110499-super-cold-winters-in-the-uk-and-us-are-due-to-arctic-warming/

There is a third group, the solar physics group, and they think it's the sun causing it.  No real scientists ignores the data, which clearly shows the NH winters have been trending colder.  With more snow.

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Re: Annual Blue Hill Observatory Climate Data
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Blue Hill is a good example of how actual real data, not adjusted fake data, can tell us something about the real world.

Of course it matches (almost perfectly) the rest of the world,(the areas that also show the colder winters, with increasing snow), which is main reason we can know the data is high quality.

Don't be an idiot and think every last location is experiencing colder winters, because that isn't what anyone is saying. 
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Re: Annual Blue Hill Observatory Climate Data
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Well, both sides are right on that one, because it's not happening.
What do you mean by "it"?



I mean
colder winters (with more snow of course).
Of course. And I mean that as a global average of course. Of course you will always find regional variations in any global pattern.

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