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Harvey Weinstein
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-overtures-to-sexual-assault-harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories

holy shit

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Asia Argento, an Italian film actress and director, told me that she did not speak out until now--Weinstein, she told me, forcibly performed oral sex on her--because she feared that Weinstein would "crush" her. "I know he has crushed a lot of people before," Argento said. "That's why this story--in my case, it's twenty years old, some of them are older--has never come out.

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The story, however, is more complex, and there is more to know and to understand. In the course of a ten-month investigation, I was told by thirteen women that, between the nineteen-nineties and 2015, Weinstein sexually harassed or assaulted them, allegations that corroborate and overlap with the Times's revelations, and also include far more serious claims.

Three women--among them Argento and a former aspiring actress named Lucia Evans--told me that Weinstein raped them, allegations that include Weinstein forcibly performing or receiving oral sex and forcing vaginal sex. Four women said that they experienced unwanted touching that could be classified as an assault. In an audio recording captured during a New York Police Department sting operation in 2015 and made public here for the first time, Weinstein admits to groping a Filipina-Italian model named Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, describing it as behavior he is "used to." Four of the women I interviewed cited encounters in which Weinstein exposed himself or masturbated in front of them.

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Sixteen former and current executives and assistants at Weinstein's companies told me that they witnessed or had knowledge of unwanted sexual advances and touching at events associated with Weinstein's films and in the workplace. They and others describe a pattern of professional meetings that were little more than thin pretexts for sexual advances on young actresses and models. All sixteen said that the behavior was widely known within both Miramax and the Weinstein Company. Messages sent by Irwin Reiter, a senior company executive, to Emily Nestor, one of the women who alleged that she was harassed at the company, described the "mistreatment of women" as a serial problem that the Weinstein Company was struggling with in recent years. Other employees described what was, in essence, a culture of complicity at Weinstein's places of business, with numerous people throughout the companies fully aware of his behavior but either abetting it or looking the other way. Some employees said that they were enlisted in subterfuge to make the victims feel safe. A female executive with the company described how Weinstein assistants and others served as a "honeypot"--they would initially join a meeting, but then Weinstein would dismiss them, leaving him alone with the woman.

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Four actresses, including Mira Sorvino and Rosanna Arquette, told me they suspected that, after they rejected Weinstein's advances or complained about them to company representatives, Weinstein had them removed from projects or dissuaded people from hiring them. Multiple sources said that Weinstein frequently bragged about planting items in media outlets about those who spoke against him; these sources feared that they might be similarly targeted. Several pointed to Gutierrez's case, in 2015: after she went to the police, negative items discussing her sexual history and impugning her credibility began rapidly appearing in New York gossip pages. (In the taped conversation with Gutierrez, Weinstein asks her to join him for "five minutes," and warns, "Don't ruin your friendship with me for five minutes.")

Re: Harvey Weinstein
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There is one article in the Wrap (by its founder) alleging that she had a story in the 2000's when she was a writer for NYT that touched on some of this stuff, but they killed it.  She claims it was because of interference from Weinstein, and also that Matt Damon and Russell Crowe called her to influence things as well.

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Two things.
One, is a studio exec really well known enough that you know who that is without needing to google him?
And two, why is this surprising? Men with social power often abuse it. Moral: stay away from dudes like that. Suggestion: Maybe change the way we deal with that sort of predator. Rather than sending them to prison, confiscate all their assets and liquidate them. Give the proceeds to the victims.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Reply #3
Hey it's pretty cool how you snuck in a victim blame in there between your "I'm so old and out of touch I don't know who this is" lead in and your hot take solution conclusion.
  • Last Edit: October 10, 2017, 09:07:29 AM by Pavlovs Dog

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The thing that's frustrating about this is that it's clear everybody knew but no one was willing to act much, much earlier.

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Moral: stay away from dudes like that.

Yes, it is important for women to completely avoid men with social power. I can't think of any widespread problems this advice could possibly cause. It's a good thing other men respond to these kinds of news stories with "what, are you surprised or something? boys will be boys!" because hearing that makes it so much easier for women to navigate the professional world.

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#notallmen

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Yes, indeed, but I wish the rest of you fuckers had actually warned me to stay away from rapists and harassers and abusers. I never realized it was that easy.

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Two things.
One, is a studio exec really well known enough that you know who that is without needing to google him?
And two, why is this surprising? Men with social power often abuse it. Moral: stay away from dudes like that. Suggestion: Maybe change the way we deal with that sort of predator. Rather than sending them to prison, confiscate all their assets and liquidate them. Give the proceeds to the victims.

No.

1. It doesn't matter if he isn't well known to you. What matters is his being well known and powerful in the industry in which these young women must operate to pursue their careers.
2. Men like that don't just have social power, unless you call all power social power. They can wreck careers, nip them in the bud, poison the well throughout the industry.

Your moral sucks: young women are naïve as shit, still immature, often easily manipulated by men exactly like that, who are even able to enlist people around them to help them take advantage. You're suggesting young women shouldn't pursue careers that put them in contact with 'men like that'. Know what? There are no careers that keep young women away from 'men like that'; men like that are everywhere in positions of authority and influence.

And no. Send these fucking predators to jail.

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Yes, indeed, but I wish the rest of you fuckers had actually warned me to stay away from rapists and harassers and abusers. I never realized it was that easy.

Yes, not like there are professors and bosses and bloody priests and doctors and lawyers and famous artists and military bosses et al doing the same damn dance. Just stay outta show biz, young woman.


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Reply #10
I have finished reading the article.  In addition to being a creepy scumbag, he also has a creepy obsession with Mila Kunis.

Re: Harvey Weinstein
Reply #11
Two things.
One, is a studio exec really well known enough that you know who that is without needing to google him?
And two, why is this surprising? Men with social power often abuse it. Moral: stay away from dudes like that. Suggestion: Maybe change the way we deal with that sort of predator. Rather than sending them to prison, confiscate all their assets and liquidate them. Give the proceeds to the victims.

No.

1. It doesn't matter if he isn't well known to you. What matters is his being well known and powerful in the industry in which these young women must operate to pursue their careers.
2. Men like that don't just have social power, unless you call all power social power. They can wreck careers, nip them in the bud, poison the well throughout the industry.

Your moral sucks: young women are naïve as shit, still immature, often easily manipulated by men exactly like that, who are even able to enlist people around them to help them take advantage. You're suggesting young women shouldn't pursue careers that put them in contact with 'men like that'. Know what? There are no careers that keep young women away from 'men like that'; men like that are everywhere in positions of authority and influence.

And no. Send these fucking predators to jail.
I think I was unclear. But it did give me a chuckle how everyone jumped my shit. Well done SJW's. Well done.

Anyway, my thought was that liquidating their assets entirely (and future earnings too I suppose) seemed like a worse fate for people who create an identity around abusing that power. Especially when they could have a comfortable retirement as soon as they leave prison which is likely to be soon because money buys shorter prison terms doncha know. The moral bit was clearly from my own privileged perspective. I wouldn't hang around with or do business with someone who was an asshole. But way to paint young women as naive and helpless victims too I suppose.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Reply #12
Hey everyone, I have a new moral: don't engage with testy because he's a fucking moron.

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The thing that's frustrating about this is that it's clear everybody knew but no one was willing to act much, much earlier.

Cy Vance, the prosecutor who declined to pursue the charges after they got him on tape, is the same shitbag who dismissed the case against Ivanka and Don Jr: https://www.propublica.org/article/ivanka-donald-trump-jr-close-to-being-charged-felony-fraud

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I wouldn't hang around with or do business with someone who was an asshole.

You're so smart. Why can't women be as smart as you?

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I wouldn't hang around with or do business with someone who was an asshole.

You're so smart. Why can't women be as smart as you?

You probably can.  Just drop way too much acid all at once and then hit yourself in the head with a hammer about 15 times.

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Reply #16
I wouldn't hang around with or do business with someone who was an asshole.

You're so smart. Why can't women be as smart as you?
I have no idea. I guess men are just smarter than women.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Re: Harvey Weinstein
Reply #17
And two, why is this surprising? Men with social power often abuse it. Moral: stay away from dudes like that. Suggestion: Maybe change the way we deal with that sort of predator.

Or better yet how about taking power away from men like that by, as you suggested, liquidating their assets and then putting their eyes out?

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And two, why is this surprising? Men with social power often abuse it. Moral: stay away from dudes like that. Suggestion: Maybe change the way we deal with that sort of predator.

Or better yet how about taking power away from men like that by, as you suggested, liquidating their assets and then putting their eyes out?
That's pretty much what I was thinking.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Reply #19
I have finished reading the article.  In addition to being a creepy scumbag, he also has a creepy obsession with Mila Kunis.
As does Ashton Kutcher.

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Reply #20
Yes, indeed, but I wish the rest of you fuckers had actually warned me to stay away from rapists and harassers and abusers. I never realized it was that easy.
#It'sSaferToStayInTheKitchen

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Reply #21
I'm glad that this discussion over an article that brought back some shitty memories made you chuckle, Testy. SJW successfully triggered. :golfclap:

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I'm glad that this discussion over an article that brought back some shitty memories made you chuckle, Testy. SJW successfully triggered. :golfclap:
:hug: It was an accident. But lemons and lemonade and all.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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https://www.salon.com/2017/10/10/donna-karan-defends-weinstein-says-women-are-asking-for-it/

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Choosing not to end on that high note, [Donna] Karan then took a 50-foot dive into the shallow end of the pool. "To see it here in our own country is very difficult," she said, "but I also think how do we display ourselves? How do we present ourselves as women? What are we asking? Are we asking for it by presenting all the sensuality and all the sexuality?"

She added, "And what are we throwing out to our children today about how to dance and how to perform and what to wear? How much should they show?" Karan continued, "You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble."

:golfclap:

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Anthony Bourdain had a good response to that:



NYT also got Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Jolie on the record: