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If you're moving, move to a wealthy area.  They have better public schools, generally.  If you're staying in NOVA then you know the areas.
Than what?  :snicker:

Christie just needs to place 3rd in a hot dog eating contest down the shore, and he'll be back on top.
Northam was a fucking idiot on sanctuary cities.  From CNN:

Northam absolutely botched his position on sanctuary cities in the closing weeks of the race -- insisting that despite his vote to kill a bill in the state Senate that would ban sanctuary cities (even though Virginia doesn't have any!), he actually would have voted in support of the legislation he killed if Virginia did have any sanctuary cities.

I'm sorry, but this is not "crystal clear," it is "Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage" clear.  That is, stupidly confusing and reeking of opportunism.

Also, the Latino Victory Fund is apparently run by a bunch of fucking idiots.  These are self inflicted wounds.
Always relevant

Let's also remember that none of these half-assed, fly-by-night agreements for funding would actually be necessary if the DNC could balance its own fucking budget. 
Amazed at how many of the 'TR elite' are still here. Thought there'd be more Trump supporters given the overall gestalt. Glad to see you've maintained the security of the bubble. Interesting. I see Pence as an even bigger threat, so 3 more years of madness seems likely.

Is . . . is this really happening?
I find it easier to believe that top Dems were happy to pay their buddies "consulting fees" for doing jack shit which is what the vast majority of "consultants" get paid to do.

the dnc was already purged to satisfy the sanders people.  it may not have succeeded in satisfying them, but if you think their issues with the dnc will distract them from their fight trump, you are badly misreading them.

I didn't say that. I don't think this is a "distraction" so much as sowing the seeds for outright rebellion at some point, ala a progressive Tea Party. It depends on how 2018 pans out, I think.

Eventually, they have to get tired of being shit on.
that sounds like wishful thinking from conservative entertainment.

There's a lot of wishful thinking from progressive circles that the DNC will finally collapse. I don't think it is just a conservative fantasy.
If this is true, then holy shit:

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary's campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as "essentially ... money laundering" for the Clinton campaign, Hillary's people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie's people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

I wanted to believe Hillary, who made campaign finance reform part of her platform, but I had made this pledge to Bernie and did not want to disappoint him. I kept asking the party lawyers and the DNC staff to show me the agreements that the party had made for sharing the money they raised, but there was a lot of shuffling of feet and looking the other way.

When I got back from a vacation in Martha's Vineyard, I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America.

The agreement--signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias--specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party's finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

I had been wondering why it was that I couldn't write a press release without passing it by Brooklyn. Well, here was the answer.

Will this turn off more potential Dems? 2018 is a big year, are they going to see wholesale desertions over this shit?
These are all very conservative arguments, by the way.  "They need to move where the jobs are, my parents did it!!"  "They need to learn new skills, this is the way of new economy!!"  "If they don't like it, they can just move!!"

Glad to see you guys coming along.  :smug:
Also, there are way more than 5 places in the US to participate in the modern economy, and most of them aren't vast concrete jungles. I am living in one of them. It is only a few minutes from where the buffalo roam and seldom is heard a discouraging word.

Okay.  So what if there is 20, or 50? There's millions of out of work people who are tied to their communities through a variety of ways.  Is it reasonable to expect them to pick up and move?
Of course it does.  If these "black people from Detroit" props of yours voted for a huckster promising them jobs that wouldn't exist while also promising to keep out Muslims and Mexicans, I also would not have sympathy for them. 

Well you wouldn't, because you're you.  And that's fine.
Would I see this level of scorn if this story was about black folks in Detroit who were refusing retraining because they hoped the auto industry was going to return?  You all know the answer to that.  Quit being fucking jerks.

ETA: Teeth really is a stupid shitbag.

Did these black folks vote for an insane rage clown who promised to fuck everyone who doesn't look like them and grab all the pussy?

Wait, do you mean Obama?  :911:

ETA: But your question really has nothing to do with anything.

ETA#2: Everyone's scorn for white trash aside, my last point stands, which is that the whole fucking country cannot live in 5 major cities.  We do need to figure out a way to keep -- or bring back -- viable industry to those areas, simply because people live there, and we cannot expect everyone to pick up and move and, anyway, there's plenty of value in having them there.
There's a few things going on here.  One, almost all of these careers require the person to move.  Let's assume for a second that the laughable idea of coal miners learning to code -- guys who probably have not been in a classroom since they graduated high school -- somehow produces decent coders.  Let's also assume that these newly minted coders would be competitive not only against people 20+ years their junior with bachelors degrees and internships, but also Indian and Vietnamese and Russian outsourcing firms who are right now taking large chunks of work from American firms simply because they will work for cheap.  Let's pretend none of that exists, and these guys are ready for the job market.  There are no coding jobs in fucking Appalachia or rural PA.

Equally laughable is the idea of turning these guys into nurses.  Yes, an ex-coal miner is really going to go to school to learn how to wipe seniors' asses, while competing against people 20+ years their junior. 

So that natural gas thing -- that's a good idea! Except these guys have to move.  They don't want to move.  I don't blame them.

What is surprising to me is seeing people who would normally not champion the libertarian idea of "You need to pick up your whole fucking life and go where the jobs are!" sort of Randian absolutism if, say, we were talking about Latino immigrants or poor, working mothers.  But if it is poor white trash well, then, fuck em. Right?  Come on.  Stop it.  Though I do expect it from teeth because he is a weaselly racist. 

The whole fucking country cannot live on the coasts.  There is something to be said for wanting to live a simple life, not in a city, not crammed on top of every other fucking person, paying too much for rent and food and every other fucking thing.  It might seem quaint and bumpkin-ish to snobby liberals but please, realize how elitist this sounds.  There are millions of people who do not want to live in a city.  Crazy, I know!  Something must be wrong with those people.

Are they being stupid for holding out for coal jobs?  Sure.  Would I see this level of scorn if this story was about black folks in Detroit who were refusing retraining because they hoped the auto industry was going to return?  You all know the answer to that.  Quit being fucking jerks.

ETA: Teeth really is a stupid shitbag.
Barring some major, unguessable catastrophe, this guy isn't going anywhere.  Everyone just has to fucking deal with it.
Arts and Entertainment / Re: Harvey Weinstein

Also there's a difference between what happens in court and what happens in your personal life.
I don't know that this is necessarily true anymore.  Social media can ruin a person's life, in some cases worse than a trial.  But you're right -- what are you supposed to do?  Shut up and say nothing?  That's obviously not right.  But just trusting someone's version of events is also probably not the right way to go, if you're talking about a life-altering accusation.  I don't know.
Arts and Entertainment / Re: Harvey Weinstein
Like I said in that post you liked and unliked:
Talk about litigating every detail, holy fuck!

Let me give you the old Kevin Spacey apology:

I don't remember that happening, but if it did happen I was drunk, also I am gay.

meeting with trump's son, son in law, and campaign manager is as good as meeting with trump himself.

No it isn't.  And that's exactly the argument they will make.
Arts and Entertainment / Re: Harvey Weinstein
Also, Harvey Weinstein is a disgusting fat sack of shit and Hollywood is a cesspool of worthless degenerates.  Fuck them and their coked-up parties -- these are the fucking scumbags that go and give money the DNC and then presume to tell Americans how to behave, all the while fucking teenagers and falling over 14 year old boys?  I'd round them up into work camps if I thought it would help, they'd probably just end up dying from infected assholes because they don't know how to wipe.
Arts and Entertainment / Re: Harvey Weinstein
I thought it was a pretty good analogy, having been on the receiving end of a host of exactly those kinds of rationalizations. It's not about realizing we should believe people who tell ghost stories but about recognizing this impulse a lot of people have to find out what really happened when someone tells them they were harassed/assaulted/abused. I mean, I've always thought, "what the fuck, why do you really have to argue about every last little detail of what I just told you?", but seeing it framed as the same way someone might react to a ghost story makes sense to me now. Dudes have to litigate every little detail because they've never been on the receiving end, rarely witness it themselves, and they have to make sense of it and help you make sense of it because obviously there must be some kind of explanation.

Yeah but  maybe a better analogy would be something that actually turned out to be true.

The point, though is that the reaction is the same - often just mildly polite humouring, not even an argument. 'Okay, I believe that's what you think happened (but I don't think your perceptions are reliable).

My incredulity -- if I have any, I try not to -- on things like this stems from two things: nobody has ever done something like this to me that bothered me, and I cannot imagine doing it to someone else.

This kind of behavior is utterly foreign to me. I've never even been around a dude doing this to a woman.  I've never been in public and seen a woman harassed by a man, except for those instances where the person is obviously fucked up -- drunk, homeless, mentally ill, etc.  I've never witnessed a woman being catcalled or whistled at (though I was catcalled last year, that that was pretty funny).  But I also don't associate with fucking lowlives who hang out on street corners or porches and run their mouths.

I don't know that I have ever seen office sexual harassment.  I know I have seen general rudeness, e.g. women getting interrupted, but the serial interrupters tend to fucking annoy everyone.  The worst interrupter in my office is a very loud 5"3' woman who cannot stop name dropping for 30 seconds. And ugh, is that annoying.  When I was in the Navy, I did have one boss who was genuinely misogynistic.  He repeatedly made comments like "Women shouldn't serve in the military," etc, right in front of his female subordinates.  He was a greasy piece of shit and eventually got demoted, and when I looked him up after getting out of the Navy he was selling steaks and shrimp door-to-door, and his customer reviews were brutal.  Even when he was bringing people food, they fucking hated him.

Anyway, it doesn't cost me anything to believe that, yes, someone was a dick to you while you were walking home or in class, or that your boss made an inappropriate comment (though you can tell me what the comment was, I might disagree with you on whether or not it is scandalous).  But in general, believing women when they say "This guy did so and so on the Metro" is normal and fine, and I can/will sympathize and try to help, if that is possible.  Because that is shitty.

When we start getting into actual sexual assault, rape, etc, then "Believe Women" is a stupid phrase and antithetical to a just legal system.  There's a whole Wikipedia entry on Emmitt Till, read it.  You cannot just "believe" people when crimes are involved.  That's fucking insane. You need proof, and you need our adversarial system, which means someone is going to question your version of events.
Arts and Entertainment / Re: Harvey Weinstein
"what the fuck, why do you really have to argue about every last little detail of what I just told you?"



Happy Anniversary, guys!

Real Journalism. That matters. Now more than ever.

This was always going to happen.  He was never going down for this.
Note the date

If Trump goes down for this, I will throw a TR pizza party.

I just have this sneaking suspicion that some people are hoping against hope, wishing upon a star, that there is something impeachable here.  There probably is not, and instead those same people are being delusional and clinging to the fantasy that they won't have to deal with this guy for the next 3 years.

ETA: I see what you mean WRT this being 2016, sorry for the confusion. But the headline is true now -- there is no clear link between Trump and Russia. It is between Russia and an aide, Russia and an adviser, etc.
Happy Anniversary, guys!

Real Journalism. That matters. Now more than ever.

This was always going to happen.  He was never going down for this.