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Weird how the DHS Secretary just can't seem to remember what Trump said about African countries


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Inside the tense, profane White House meeting on immigration

A good look inside last week's "s***hole" meeting and how Trump went from "I'll sign whatever you put in front of me" to "no black countries" in a matter of days or even hours thanks to far right Republicans.

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When President Trump spoke by phone with Sen. Richard J. Durbin around 10:15 a.m. last Thursday, he expressed pleasure with Durbin's outline of a bipartisan immigration pact and praised the high-ranking Illinois Democrat's efforts, according to White House officials and congressional aides.

The president then asked if Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), his onetime foe turned ally, was on board, which Durbin affirmed. Trump invited the lawmakers to visit with him at noon, the people familiar with the call said.

But when they arrived at the Oval Office, the two senators were surprised to find that Trump was far from ready to finalize the agreement. He was "fired up" and surrounded by hard-line conservatives such as Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), who seemed confident that the president was now aligned with them, according to one person with knowledge of the meeting.

Trump told the group he wasn't interested in the terms of the bipartisan deal that Durbin and Graham had been putting together. And as he shrugged off suggestions from Durbin and others, the president called nations from Africa "s***hole countries," denigrated Haiti and grew angry. The meeting was short, tense and often dominated by loud cross-talk and swearing, according to Republicans and Democrats familiar with the meeting.

Trump's ping-ponging from dealmaking to feuding, from elation to fury, has come to define the contentious immigration talks between the White House and Congress, perplexing members of both parties as they navigate the president's vulgarities, his combativeness and his willingness to suddenly change his position. The blowup has derailed those negotiations yet again and increased the possibility of a government shutdown over the fate of hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants known as "dreamers."

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Trump complained that there wasn't enough money included in the deal for his promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. He also objected that Democratic proposals to adjust the visa lottery and federal policy for immigrants with temporary protected status were going to drive more people from countries he deemed undesirable into the United States instead of attracting immigrants from places like Norway and Asia, people familiar with the meeting said.

Attendees who were alarmed by the racial undertones of Trump's remarks were further disturbed when the topic of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) came up, these people said.

At one point, Durbin told the president that members of that caucus -- an influential House group -- would be more likely to agree to a deal if certain countries were included in the proposed protections, according to people familiar with the meeting.

Trump was curt and dismissive, saying he was not making immigration policy to cater to the CBC and did not particularly care about that bloc's demands, according to people briefed on the meeting. "You've got to be joking," one adviser said, describing Trump's reaction.

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After Graham left, he told associates that he was disturbed by what he heard in the Oval Office, according to people who spoke with him, and that it was evident the deal's antagonists had gotten to Trump. Graham and Durbin also told allies that they were stunned that the other lawmakers were present -- and that Trump's tone seemed so different than it had been days or even hours before, according to people close to them.

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But some White House officials, including conservative adviser Stephen Miller, feared that Graham and Durbin would try to trick Trump into signing a bill that was damaging to him and would hurt him with his political base. As word trickled out Thursday morning on Capitol Hill that Durbin and Graham were heading over to the White House, legislative affairs director Marc Short began to make calls to lawmakers and shared many of Miller's concerns.

Soon, Goodlatte, one of the more conservative House members on immigration, was headed to the White House. Trump also called House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and asked him to come, McCarthy said. Sens. David Perdue (R-Ga.) and Cotton were also invited to rush over

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In the late morning, before Durbin and Graham arrived, Kelly -- who had already been briefed on the deal -- talked to Trump to tell him that the proposal would probably not be good for his agenda, White House officials said. Kelly, a former secretary of homeland security, has taken an increasingly aggressive and influential role in the immigration negotiations, calling lawmakers and meeting with White House aides daily -- more than he has on other topics. He has "very strong feelings," in the words of one official. But he's not a lone voice. Trump in recent weeks has also been talking more to conservatives such as Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) on immigration, these people said.

Reminder that Kelly started the purging while running DHS early last year and has said he wants to allow in "between 0 and 1" refugees, i.e. he largely agrees with Trump's racist immigration policies.

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Trump was not particularly upset by the coverage of the meeting and his vulgarity after it was first reported by The Washington Post, calling friends and asking how they expected it to play with his political supporters, aides said.

"Everyone was saying it would help with the base," which would agree with his characterization, one person who spoke with the president said.

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Three White House officials said Perdue and Cotton told the White House that they heard "s***house" rather than "s***hole," allowing them to deny the president's comments on television over the weekend. The two men initially said publicly that they could not recall what the president said.

Representatives for both men declined to comment.

Going forward, a path to an immigration deal remains hazy.

"I expect that we'll get more Republican support for the proposal because it's really the only game in town. I expect there will be more negotiations -- we didn't write the Bible," Graham said Monday. "We wrote a proposal that over time we can make it better."

Republicans lying to cover for Trump's racism in order to push hardline anti-immigration policies, and pretending that a difference between "s***house" and "s***hole" even matters without addressing the underlying racism guiding Trump's policies and preferences rather than the 'vulgar' words used to express his ideas.

I hope every reporter who rushed to praise "Presidential" Trump after his "I know nothing about policy or procedure and will sign whatever you give me" meeting early last week remembers how dumb, awful and incompetent Trump really is the next time they get the urge to praise him, but I know they won't.
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we deserve to go extinct

I'm going to assume that 99% of the people who use this shit have never been in the military

e: although a bag with velcro patches all over it seems like a pretty good idea tbh
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Comic relief thread
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
we're all priming the pump for the piss-tape, if you know what I mean  :toocool:
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse


This reads more like money to keep a potentially embarrassing thing out of the news rather than covering up assault or harassment.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-history-breaking-decorum-remarks-race-ethnicity-n837181
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A career intelligence analyst who is an expert in hostage policy stood before President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last fall to brief him on the impending release of a family long held in Pakistan under uncertain circumstances.

It was her first time meeting the president, and when she was done briefing, he had a question for her.

"Where are you from?" the president asked, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the exchange.

New York, she replied.

Trump was unsatisfied and asked again, the officials said. Referring to the president's hometown, she offered that she, too, was from Manhattan. But that's not what the president was after.

He wanted to know where "your people" are from, according to the officials, who spoke under condition of anonymity due to the nature of the internal discussions.

After the analyst revealed that her parents are Korean, Trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path, asking why the "pretty Korean lady" isn't negotiating with North Korea on his administration's behalf, the officials said.

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At a March meeting with members of the Congressional Black Caucus, Trump asked the elected officials if they knew just one member of his incoming cabinet -- Ben Carson -- according to two people in the room.

Carson, the only black member of Trump's Cabinet, had never served in Congress and spent his career as a surgeon. None of the lawmakers knew Carson, and Trump found that surprising, the attendees said.

During that same meeting, a member relayed to Trump that potential welfare cuts would harm her constituents, "not all of whom are black." The president replied, "Really? Then what are they?"

"Breaking Decorum" aka being extremely fucking turboracist
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Lock the thread now, this won't be topped

not until the tape is realeased

COME ON, BRUG
lock thread until tape is released, then delete every other thread on TR and re-open this one
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Bad news about Republicans: they're all racists
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ANCHOR: President's comments yesterday bother you, frustrated? He lamented about the immigration program that was in front of him, says, "why are we taking so many people from these "s-hole* countries", what is your reaction to that?

RENACCI: Well look, I've said all along, the president many times says what people are thinking. I learned as a business guy you have to be careful what you say because people pick everything up, believe me, when I have a mic on I have got to watch what I say. That is a business guy going into a political career. It's difficult, I know it's difficult for the president, because many times you want to say what you are thinking, but in the end, I know a lot of times he is saying what people are thinking. So, I always say, judge the President after 4 years.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
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afdave fucks children and lynches black people
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Let me put it this way: if Trump dropped the n-word on TV or in a tweet, I guarantee you would have a visceral reaction to it, no matter how massive the pile of evidence for his being a racist piece of shit already is. Seeing the subtext painfully and obviously become loud, unabashed text is just upsetting because it doesn't matter how many times you've heard it, it's still coming out of the fucking shithole that is the mouth of the President of the goddamn United States, and that means it's more than just words. It's a reminder that this is the rotten core of all of these bullshit fucking policies that are actively harming and killing people.

"Shithole countries" is not really worse than "they're rapists, they're murderers, and some I assume are good people" or various off-the-cuff statements about black people being animals or the sorts of things he has said about minority neighborhoods in Europe and the US, or saying there were some "very fine people" at a neonazi rally.

At this point, there's no doubt that Trump is a radical right-wing racist. He has said precisely as much over and over and over. I can see how guapo is saying "this is just not surprising" with it not really being a privilege thing so much as an exhaustion thing.

I've decided that "shocked but not surprised" is how I'm describing my reaction to things like this.

Trump being racist, deeply incompetent and completely incapable of doing the job isn't a surprise to anyone that's paid attention for the last several years. The specific examples can still be shocking, though.
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Ok but we know that:

1) that won't actually work politically and will result in DACA being dead
2) lol Dems with anything close to a spine for something like that
3) Dems would get owned by the largely CHUD military
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So what price should Democrats be willing to pay to get the DREAM Act passed? Border wall funding? Revising lottery visas? Reduction in family migration?
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curious whether anyone has a recording or whether any republicans who were there will confirm

from the Guardian link:

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But senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat was in the meeting, contradicted him in to local Chicago press on Friday morning. He said the president "in the course of his comments said things which were hateful, vile and racist".

"He said these hate-filled things, and he said them repeatedly," Durbin said.

"I cannot believe that in the history of the White House and the Oval Office, any president has ever spoken the words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday," he continued. "I've seen the comments in the press and I've not read one of them that's inaccurate."

The Republican senator Jeff Flake also contradicted the president, tweeting, "the words used by the President, as related to me directly following the meeting by those in attendance, were not 'tough,' they were abhorrent and repulsive."

It's good for Durbin calling those statements out and backing up the reporting, but lol at this:

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"I cannot believe that in the history of the White House and the Oval Office, any president has ever spoken the words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday,"

maybe not specifically "shithole," but we had literal slavers in the White House for many, many years. I'm sure plenty of extremely racist shit has been said in that room and by Presidents at least up until 2009.
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Republicans are also white supremacists who are just mad about him saying the quiet parts loud.
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None of the Republicans present are commenting on it, and Dick Durbin went on record this morning said it's absolutely accurate.