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I know that when I post in these threads, I am swimming upstream and opening myself up to ridicule.  But honest to god, so many of you are just phoning it in nowadays.
honest to god, hating on antifa is about the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread.

It is perfectly sensible to be wary of groups that have members who are anarchists, etc.  Any normal person who is not brainwashed by dumb internet leftism can recognize this.  It is also perfectly sensible to appreciate what they are doing (fighting actual white supremacists) while not agreeing with any of their other political philosophies, or while being wary of thier larger goals as a group.

Really, this is all uncontroversial.  Some of you have just lost your fucking minds, which makes it seem crazy. But trust me: you're wrong.

ETA:

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How in shit did you end up marrying a girl who's read more than one book?

Two things about this:

1) Comments like these tip your hand
2) This comment is fairly silly, insofar as you demonstrate absolutely zero historical awareness with what happens when politically focused militias decide to start airing their grievances in public, with fists.  There's usually no good guys left by the time this happens.
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Like so many movements on the left, anarchism is a playground for dumb kids and most people grow out of it.
So we're supposed to care about them why again?

Because most is not all, genius.

As an example, look at what a relatively small number of marginalized Nazi morons has been able to do.
so marginalized that the president of the united states runs defense for them. lol.

Nice pivot (just kidding, it sucked).  White supremacists are literally being erased from the internet by tech companies as we speak, in a pretty amazing display of uncoordinated solidarity.  I would say that counts as marginalized. Add in their small numbers, and the only way you can deny it is by failing to pay attention.
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I know that when I post in these threads, I am swimming upstream and opening myself up to ridicule.  But honest to god, so many of you are just phoning it in nowadays.
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Like so many movements on the left, anarchism is a playground for dumb kids and most people grow out of it.
So we're supposed to care about them why again?

Because most is not all, genius.

As an example, look at what a relatively small number of marginalized Nazi morons has been able to do.
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fear of anarchists? I don't exactly have a lot of exposure to them, but my understanding is basically black bloc or black bloc-like groups that occasionally do some property damage at leftist protests but are otherwise pretty much invisible.

I am opposed to the philosophy of anarchism.  Anyone who thinks anti-statism is a good is fucking moron, and is fundamentally opposed to the basic building blocks of civilization.  Anyone with a brain in their head, who wants things such as democratic socialism, should be opposed to anarchism as a sensible political movement.  Like so many movements on the left, anarchism is a playground for dumb kids and most people grow out of it.
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In fact, the only point of having it right now seems to be to distract from the conversation about whether or not to take down Confederate statues.

Wrong.  The point of having it right now is because idiots are already doing things like defacing statues of Lincoln.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Abe-Lincoln-Statue-Burned-on-Chicagos-South-Side-440897443.html

We have no idea who actually did that. Could it possibly be the people who are extremely mad about not honoring the side that waged war on Lincoln and put a bullet into his head?
like yeah we don't know but i love the logical leap from "first they're attacking monuments to confederates, so clearly next they'll attack monuments to be man the confederates hated so much they became the confederacy."

Because those whacky leftists never get carried away, by gosh!

Here, I can make an argument for taking down the Lincoln memorial right now. Lincoln said if he could save the union by keeping slaves, he would do that.  Therefore, he supported slavery.  Take his statues down.
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Duplicate nvm
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Okay. No point in pursuing it further, if we disagrer on the fundamental a level.

Anyway, remove the Confederate statues, take massive shits on all Confederate highways, and rename every middle school in the south to Harriet Tubman High.
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Antifa as a movement (the group, not the term) contains a good number of anarchists.  Do people genuinely not care about this?
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In fact, the only point of having it right now seems to be to distract from the conversation about whether or not to take down Confederate statues.

Wrong.  The point of having it right now is because idiots are already doing things like defacing statues of Lincoln.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Abe-Lincoln-Statue-Burned-on-Chicagos-South-Side-440897443.html
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loving "both sides Ty"

It is more fun and useful than being an idiot dogmatist.

Having said that, there is no both sides going on, tear down all the Confederate statues, rename all the highways, schools, and bases.  That should all happen as soon as we can manage it.

My concern -- and the concern of anyone else who is actually paying attention to Antifa, SJW lunatics, and idiot leftists in general -- is that they won't stop with the Confederate stuff.  And useful tools will have given them license to keep going, because NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS.

Today we get the Nazis out of the public square, tomorrow we get a game where Zelda rescues Link.
Yeah. I'm not really feeling a ton of antipathy for antifa.

Then sorry, guys, but you are being 100% grade A fucking dumb. Antifa are not good guys.  And if you give them leeway now -- because they happen to also be fighting neo Nazis -- you will regret it later.  This is like arming the Taliban to help fight the Russians.  I cannot believe how uncritically some of you are backing these pieces of shit.
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loving "both sides Ty"

It is more fun and useful than being an idiot dogmatist.

Having said that, there is no both sides going on, tear down all the Confederate statues, rename all the highways, schools, and bases.  That should all happen as soon as we can manage it.

My concern -- and the concern of anyone else who is actually paying attention to Antifa, SJW lunatics, and idiot leftists in general -- is that they won't stop with the Confederate stuff.  And useful tools will have given them license to keep going, because NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS.
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^^^
galactic brain take

I should have guessed this would be your answer. 

ETA: Everything is a slippery slope, that's why you have the conversation beforehand.  The point is, there is a level of association with slavery that we are willing to tolerate.  You can avoid talking about that through snarky internet one-liners, if you want, but you'll be no closer to a satisfactory answer.
I'm completely satisfied with the answer of tearing down all statues of fucking Confederates. If we want to talk about tearing down more statues after that, we can have that conversation then. For now, Confederates go.

Agreed, though I wouldn't destroy them.

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Conversation over.

Wrong.  This is how maniacs win; "reasonable" people have assumed the conversation is over, and fanatics are drawing up more plans.
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We are reaching the point where, if the Washington Monument were to be blown up tomorrow, it would be anyone's guess whether jihadists or the 'anti-fascist' Left did it.

lmao



This is the disconnect for me, I don't know how anyone can look at Antifa and not see them for what they are.
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ty please tell me that you are being sarcastic

Are you so used to your own dumb echo chamber that you cannot recognize an obvious rhetorical device?  Jesus christ when did you guys turn so fucking dumb?

The perfectly obvious point is that western civilization, as a rule, is willing to tolerate some proximity and/or relationship to our ugly past re: slavery, imperialism, colonialism, etc.  We recognize that we cannot take down every statue, destroy everything bad or harmful or hurtful.  If we did that, we'd have nothing.

So the question is, what are we willing to tolerate?  Unserious answers from wise-ass leftist shitposters are hilarious on twitter and Talk Rational, but they are not useful in the real world.
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galactic brain take

I should have guessed this would be your answer. 

ETA: Everything is a slippery slope, that's why you have the conversation beforehand.   The point is, there is a level of association with slavery that we are willing to tolerate.  You can avoid talking about that through snarky internet one-liners, if you want, but you'll be no closer to a satisfactory answer.
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agree that all monuments of or dedicated to slaveholders should be destroyed tbh

Should the pyramids be blown to bits, since the Pharaohs owned slaves?
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There are some bromides in here, and I really couldn't give two shits if every single confederate statue was taken down tomorrow (not destroyed, I think that is shameful and what ISIS does), but overall I agree with this:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450500/destroying-confederate-statues-whats-end-point-washington-monument

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues/story?id=49265236

Is this "waiting for the right time" or "rank opportunism"?

I like Booker, I hope he doesn't do something fucking dumb.

I'm legitimately surprised that you like Booker given his cozy ties to finance and pharma

i think I made a comment on this in another thread, but these two things do give me serious pause.  I mean, I get it, he lives in NJ and that's all there is besides oil: finance and pharmaceuticals.  And I thought he blundered on the drug regulation thing a few months ago.  But overall, he seems to be putting his money where his mouth is. 

That can change, of course (shit, might even change in this thread!).
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues/story?id=49265236

Is this "waiting for the right time" or "rank opportunism"?

I like Booker, I hope he doesn't do something fucking dumb.
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recommend we change thread title to "keeping crosshairs trained on the alt-right" mainly to troll Ty

This won't work, I know most of you are terrified of actual guns.
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Hey, NoVA people, your input on renaming Route 1 which I still refuse to call by its other dumb name: https://www.alexandriava.gov/JeffersonDavisHighway

Beat Up Piece of Shit Highway

Actually, name it after Sherman or Grant.  Remind those motherfuckers how bad Yankees fucked their shit up. 
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Hey, NoVA people, your input on renaming Route 1 which I still refuse to call by its other dumb name: https://www.alexandriava.gov/JeffersonDavisHighway

Beat Up Piece of Shit Highway
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You'll notice that I don't make bragposts about how I'd string up a Nazi, punch a Nazi, nazi nazi nazi because I'm not insecure.  The people who gas on and on about what they'd do to Nazis are, again, usually up to their eardrums in bullshit.

But you're constantly bragging about how you don't brag, while implying that this means you're for real, unlike the loud mouths.

This would be called "telling the truth."