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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8625
Pragmatism and idealism are the delicate balance between short term and long term strategies.

Is that like the delicate balance between butter and margarine?
"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." (Jonathan Swift)

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8626
But you do think that embassies get relocated according to who butters who else's bread?
Yes, I do think that's a factor.
Do you think that Guatemala would have relocated their embassy if they thought Washington would have disapproved?
If it's "the principle of the thing", why didn't they do it years ago?
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8627
But you do think that embassies get relocated according to who butters who else's bread?
Yes, I do think that's a factor.
Do you think that Guatemala would have relocated their embassy if they thought Washington would have disapproved?
If it's "the principle of the thing", why didn't they do it years ago?

Maybe they just needed someone to start the ball rolling. Do you think Washington is going to pay them for moving their embassy?
"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." (Jonathan Swift)

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8628
I just think there is too much negativity being attached to everything that Trump does.

Previous presidents, from Bush to Clinton and Obama, have promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, but never kept those promises. Trump kept his promise, and the liberals attack him for it.

Obama did use military bases to house illegal children immigrants. Trump just talks about doing it, and the headlines scream that he is a monster.
I am beginning to see liberals as the most dishonest people on the planet.
"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." (Jonathan Swift)

  • uncool
Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8629
Pay for them? I'd usually say that they'd do nothing so crass, but this is Trump and his administration.

I wouldn't be surprised if Washington provided incentives to do so - sweetening trade deals, putting them as higher priority in foreign aid, etc.
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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8630
Maybe they just needed someone to start the ball rolling.
Right. ::)
Could have been Tonga.
Could have been Palau.
It's just a coincidence that it happened to be Uncle "Big Stick" Sam.
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Do you think Washington is going to pay them for moving their embassy?
Probably not directly and explicitly, no.
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8631
Pay them? I'd usually say that they'd do nothing so crass, but this is Trump and his administration.

I rest my case.
"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." (Jonathan Swift)

  • Faid
Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8632
I don't know the history of the modern state of Israel very well but couldn't the Palestinians petition the United Nations or something to have a recognized homeland just as Israel has done? 



The Arab countries do not want the Palestinians to have a separate homeland in conjunction with Israel. They want the state of Israel to be destroyed and replaced by a Palestinian state. There are two sides to this story.
Neither story justifies the deaths.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8633
I am beginning to see liberals as the most dishonest people on the planet.
LOL. People disagree with me politically. That must mean everyone who shares their political beliefs are THE MOST DISHONEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!!!

  • uncool
Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8634
Pay them? I'd usually say that they'd do nothing so crass, but this is Trump and his administration.

I rest my case.
You should rethink it then.

I am not attributing malice to the Trump administration. I said how I would expect other administrations to do something similar - lots of minor tweaks to already-existing deals. I'm certain similar things have happened throughout - see the Iran deal and the claims that the $400 billion belonged to Iran, or the Iran contra scandal for examples in past administrations.

I am attributing brazenness and incompetence to Trump. Which I think have plenty of evidence already.

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8635
I just think there is too much negativity being attached to everything that Trump does.
::)    Whereas 'negativity' is a completely abhorrent concept to Trump and his followers. 
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Previous presidents, from Bush to Clinton and Obama, have promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, but never kept those promises. Trump kept his promise, and the liberals attack him for it.
Way to miss the point.

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Obama did use military bases to house illegal children immigrants.
Obama got plenty of criticism from the left, including on immigration policies
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Trump just talks about doing it, and the headlines scream that he is a monster.
What headlines are those? The news articles I've seen on the subject were focused on the separating children from parents, not on where they put them.
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I am beginning to see liberals as the most dishonest people on the planet.
No u
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8636
I don't know the history of the modern state of Israel very well but couldn't the Palestinians petition the United Nations or something to have a recognized homeland just as Israel has done? 


Oh my.

Peez

moron
I love you too.

Peez

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8637
But you do think that embassies get relocated according to who butters who else's bread?
Yes, I do think that's a factor.
Do you think that Guatemala would have relocated their embassy if they thought Washington would have disapproved?
If it's "the principle of the thing", why didn't they do it years ago?

Maybe they just needed someone to start the ball rolling. Do you think Washington is going to pay them for moving their embassy?

lol, just lol.

Peez

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8638
Pragmatism and idealism are the delicate balance between short term and long term strategies.

Is that like the delicate balance between butter and margarine?
No. Not at all. Margarine is always a bad choice.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8639
But you do think that embassies get relocated according to who butters who else's bread?
Yes, I do think that's a factor.
Do you think that Guatemala would have relocated their embassy if they thought Washington would have disapproved?
If it's "the principle of the thing", why didn't they do it years ago?

Maybe they just needed someone to start the ball rolling. Do you think Washington is going to pay them for moving their embassy?

lol, just lol.

Peez
Seriously LOL at getting the ball rolling. I wonder how many countries Heinz thinks are now going to move their embassies to Jerusalem. All seven of the countries (other than the U.S. and Israel) that voted against the UN motion urging Trump not to do it? Five of them maybe? Or is he deluded/ignorant enough to think that countries that just condemned the move are suddenly going to be repeating it en masse?

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8640

::)    Whereas 'negativity' is a completely abhorrent concept to Trump and his followers. 


Quote from: Con Air
Nathan Jones, A.K.A. Diamond Dog. Former general of the Black Guerillas. He blew up a meeting of the National Rifle Association saying, and I quote, "They represented the basest negativity of the white race."

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8641
Obama did use military bases to house illegal children immigrants.

I'm not sure I've ever heard the phrase "illegal children"  and not been horrified. The idea that young children could be criminals by virtue of their birth has never aged well.


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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8642
Obama did use military bases to house illegal children immigrants.

I'm not sure I've ever heard the phrase "illegal children"  and not been horrified. The idea that young children could be criminals by virtue of their birth has never aged well.


Illegal is an adjective describing the immigrants, not the children, eh?  No such thing as an illegal child...is there?

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8643
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8644
Obama did use military bases to house illegal children immigrants.

I'm not sure I've ever heard the phrase "illegal children"  and not been horrified. The idea that young children could be criminals by virtue of their birth has never aged well.


Illegal is an adjective describing the immigrants, not the children, eh?  No such thing as an illegal child...is there?

In a actual legal sense, no. But the idea that migrants (who presenting themselves to border agents requesting asylum and being housed on US soil while their petition is reviewed) are "illegal" is common. There are also a fair few people who can distinguish between someone coming in and someone being brought in though no fault of their own. Lastly, most people are unaware that while sneaking across the border is a crime, overstaying your visa is not.

Thus, once you realize that no discernible criminal action has been committed by these children, the "offense" must then be the accident of their birth.

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8645
I just think there is too much negativity being attached to everything that Trump does.

Previous presidents, from Bush to Clinton and Obama, have promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, but never kept those promises. Trump kept his promise, and the liberals attack him for it.

Obama did use military bases to house illegal children immigrants. Trump just talks about doing it, and the headlines scream that he is a monster.
I am beginning to see liberals as the most dishonest people on the planet.


You appear to see 'liberals' as a monolithic group. In my country, 'Liberals' most often refers to the Liberal Party, which currently is the government. In Australia, something different is implied re government.

In any case, I think you'd find most of the members of this forum don't identify as 'liberals', but as some other point on the political spectrum.

Iirc, the children Obama's gov't was trying to house were a really large influx of unaccompanied children. (In fact, you can read about it here:)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2014/07/22/where-is-the-obama-administration-housing-the-immigrant-kids/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.35ea8b47f102

In Trump's case, the government is talking of routinely separating children from their parents when they cross the border seeking asylum, and is calling it a 'deterrent' - iow, taking children from their mothers as punishment for seeking asylum, even if it turns out these families do qualify for some kind of status in the US.

I hope you can see the difference.

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8646
I just think there is too much negativity being attached to everything that Trump does.

Previous presidents, from Bush to Clinton and Obama, have promised to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, but never kept those promises. Trump kept his promise, and the liberals attack him for it.

Obama did use military bases to house illegal children immigrants. Trump just talks about doing it, and the headlines scream that he is a monster.
I am beginning to see liberals as the most dishonest people on the planet.


You appear to see 'liberals' as a monolithic group. In my country, 'Liberals' most often refers to the Liberal Party, which currently is the government. In Australia, something different is implied re government.

In any case, I think you'd find most of the members of this forum don't identify as 'liberals', but as some other point on the political spectrum.

That's good because my remarks were not specifically aimed at people on this forum, most of whom I respect; otherwise I would not be posting here.
Iirc, the children Obama's gov't was trying to house were a really large influx of unaccompanied children. (In fact, you can read about it here:)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2014/07/22/where-is-the-obama-administration-housing-the-immigrant-kids/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.35ea8b47f102

In Trump's case, the government is talking of routinely separating children from their parents when they cross the border seeking asylum, and is calling it a 'deterrent' - iow, taking children from their mothers as punishment for seeking asylum, even if it turns out these families do qualify for some kind of status in the US.

I hope you can see the difference.

The articles I read on this also spoke primarily of unaccompanied children. Besides those, there are what is know as rent-a-kids; children who are being carried across not by their real parents, but by others who are using the children as a ticket into the USA. From what I have read, the children will be placed into the military bases only until they can be placed into the custody of a trusted parent or guardian who is already in the US.

I have spent years on US military bases; they are not concentration camps, as some liberal media would have you think!
Those kids will have the best food they have ever eaten in their lives, all the ice cream they can eat and round-the-clock care and supervision. I bet a lot of them will not want to leave!
"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." (Jonathan Swift)

Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8647
Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that Heinz is really the one running the DaveBot and he's letting his mask slip?
Why do I bother?

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8648
Nah. Dave is beyond imitation.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

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Re: Some heads are gonna roll
Reply #8649
You appear to see 'liberals' as a monolithic group. In my country, 'Liberals' most often refers to the Liberal Party, which currently is the government. In Australia, something different is implied re government.

In any case, I think you'd find most of the members of this forum don't identify as 'liberals', but as some other point on the political spectrum.
tbf, I get the impression that many if not most Trumpublicans use the term, 'liberal', to describe anyone left of themselves,  anyone who thinks Obama was a better president than Trump, pretty much all Democrats and pretty much all the mainstream news media.
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins