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Did the Son of God die on the cross?

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  • No
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Trinitarian Pop Quizz
The conundrum:
If God is immortal
And Jesus is God
And Jesus was crucified and died
Did the Son of God die on the cross?

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Does one go to hell if they get the answer wrong?

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Yes to both.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Blah blah blah son of man blah blah redeemed from our sins bullshit bullshit haleylooyahglorybe cough.
It's what plants crave.

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I prefer the Euthyphro dilemma, though the Trinity never made sense to me. Whole lotta hoops to avoid admitting you're polytheistic.

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Blah blah blah son of man blah blah redeemed from our sins bullshit bullshit haleylooyahglorybe cough.
That doesn't seem like a Tantric Buddhism mantra.

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Does one go to hell if they get the answer wrong?
Not on a TalkRational forum. TR mods only have access to purgatory buttons.

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It's what plants crave.

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Does one go to hell if they get the answer wrong?
Not on a TalkRational forum. TR mods only have access to purgatory buttons.
We're working on that.

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The conundrum:
If God is immortal
And Jesus is God
And Jesus was crucified and died
Did the Son of God die on the cross?
It would be a more interesting question if the last line read "Did God die on the cross?".

It seems that Trinitarians are trained to fail to notice the contradiction between identifying Jesus as God and identifying Jesus as the Son of God.

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That, and Jesus/God praying to himself, constantly referring to himself, asking himself for help, etc.  It almost reads as if God parasitized poor baby Jesus and went along for the ride right up to that ninth hour when Jesus cried out "Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani?"

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Jesus makes so much more sense when you take out the supernatural stuff.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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"You know what uranium is, right? It's this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things. But nobody talks about that."

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Voted no.

The Noble Qur'an teaches us in sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158, "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-"

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I don't see the contradiction? You can be immortal and still die, or die and still be immortal (at least in theological terms, obviously not in reality).

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You can be immortal and still die, or die and still be immortal (at least in theological terms, obviously not in reality).
Not as "immortal" and "die" are usually understood.

In this case, games are being played with the meaning of "die", I think.

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If the memory of your being is 'immortalized' in the general public (say, for instance, Napoleon Bonaparte) are you then considered immortal?

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You can be immortal and still die, or die and still be immortal (at least in theological terms, obviously not in reality).
Not as "immortal" and "die" are usually understood.

In this case, games are being played with the meaning of "die", I think.

is this like the cat in box thought expirament?
if you never open the box the cat is both dead and alive

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expirament
a fitting misspelling, given the subject matter.

was that deliberate?

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not intentionaily

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You can be immortal and still die, or die and still be immortal (at least in theological terms, obviously not in reality).
Not as "immortal" and "die" are usually understood.


Immortal just means you don't die of natural causes/age, doesn't necessarily mean complete invulnerability - most conceptions of immortality I've read in scifi portray immortal beings as still capable of dying of accidents or murder. In theology in many pantheons gods can be killed and in some cases their death and rebirth becomes part of their mythos (as in the case of Jesus, Balder, Osiris, Ishtar etc).

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Voted yes, in the same way as I would vote that Harry Potter, is indeed, a witch.  :cheer:

The question of whether Jesus is real, and natural or supernatural, is another matter.

Believer in High Powers, and naturally, logarithms.
Pikkiwoki is the one true god.

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Immortal just means you don't die of natural causes/age, doesn't necessarily mean complete invulnerability
Well, there are weaker and stronger definitions of immortality.  The monotheistic god is usually considered immortal in the stronger sense, I think.

The contradiction here resides in
(1) Jesus is God
(2) Jesus died (and spent some time being dead)
(3) God was never dead

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I AM IMMORTAL