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Emmanuel Macron takes lessons from the Sun King

Very curious as to idea of Harambe's take on this article.

sneak peek

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Emmanuel Macron's decision to open up Louis XIV's palace in Versailles for Russia's Vladimir Putin at the end of May made perfect sense for the newly elected French leader who once defined his future presidential style as "Jupiterian".

As a matter of fact, the Hall of Mirrors features a painting by Charles Le Brun depicting Louis the Great holding thunder, the symbol of the king of the Roman gods, French historian Joël Cornette tells me. There are further similarities. It looks very much, Mr Cornette observes, as though the president -- who has hailed Charles de Gaulle and François Mitterrand as model "republican monarchs" -- has carefully studied the Sun King.

"President Macron seems keen to look impenetrable, distant, sovereign -- the trademark of Louis XIV," he says. Like the absolute monarch, who was the first king to take communication seriously (with Jean-Baptiste Colbert as France's first communication, or propaganda, adviser), Mr Macron appears intent on carefully crafting his image.

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when you said you were curious to get gunner's take, I thought this was going to be about his offer of 4-year grants to american scientists.

this guy owns.

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He just picked up a huge chunk of France's parliament. Pretty impressive for a political party that didn't exist a year ago.

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i don't really know shit about louis xiv although i know marginally more about this idea of "republican monarch" (tldr it's leftover bonapartism) and also that marcon is rather like trudeau in that he mostly looks awesome by comparison

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He just picked up a huge chunk of France's parliament. Pretty impressive for a political party that didn't exist a year ago.

France is in new territory, sure. The first round had a turnout around 50% so talk of a landslide is  exaggeration but we'll see. I wouldn't swap you Macron for Trump.

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shut up you guys.  I need to believe in something good right now, so macron owns

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shut up you guys.  I need to believe in something good right now,


eta: or if you prefer it to not be about personalities all of a sudden, this inflicted a humiliating defeat on a conservative party set to supposedly win in a landslide
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If nothing else, the fact that he trumped trump at his stupid handshake game makes me like him. :D

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shut up you guys.  I need to believe in something good right now,


eta: or if you prefer it to not be about personalities all of a sudden, this inflicted a humiliating defeat on a conservative party set to supposedly win in a landslide
Wow. Their new deal for business looks like a presentation I gave to a local small business roundtable group during Bush the lesser's reign.
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Mr. Macron has politely but firmly challenged France's unions about changing what he regards as France's job-killing labor code, the most ambitious part of his domestic agenda.

awesome!!!!

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But it is also a function of Mr. Macron's deeply held belief that France in some sense has been missing its king since the execution of Louis XVI on Jan. 21, 1793, and that his job is to fill the gap.
wow ok fuck this guy

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so this guy is starting to look more and more like a piece of shit: https://www.facebook.com/corey.robin1/posts/1431794530219597?pnref=story

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In his speech at Versailles on Monday, Macron launched what The Guardian is calling his "personalised approach to the presidency" by calling for a cut to the number of seats in Parliament by a third, and for Parliament not to legislate but instead to "evaluate" the government's actions. If Parliament balks, Macron promises to put this reduction of the legislature (in size and scope) to a national plebiscite. He also warned against the poor and the weak becoming "wards of the state."

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it was him or the nazi

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let's just stop being starry-eyed about this being anything other than "better than a nazi" which is the most damning faint praise possible in politics.

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if it's the nazis or not having standards, I choose not having standards

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so this guy is starting to look more and more like a piece of shit: https://www.facebook.com/corey.robin1/posts/1431794530219597?pnref=story

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In his speech at Versailles on Monday, Macron launched what The Guardian is calling his "personalised approach to the presidency" by calling for a cut to the number of seats in Parliament by a third, and for Parliament not to legislate but instead to "evaluate" the government's actions. If Parliament balks, Macron promises to put this reduction of the legislature (in size and scope) to a national plebiscite. He also warned against the poor and the weak becoming "wards of the state."

So some of this depends a bit on the issue of state support for elected legislators. In Italy, for example, the number of legislators has ballooned over the past few decades. Each legislator makes a shitton of money while serving their term in office, and then receive a massive lifetime government pension following their term in office. Given that other government employees are having their wages cut to pay legislator pensions, and given that a lot of legislator appointments are basically corrupt kickbacks within the parties. That's a big damned problem and there's a large push to reduce legislature size in Italy to cut down on what is essentially a corrupt means of siphoning public money. Italy, for example, has a parliament of nearly 1000 legislators representing a country of 60 million people.

If this is the situation in France as well, it would make sense that Macron could support reducing the size of the legislature and it wouldn't necessarily be anti-democratic. The French parliament is of similar size (925 legislators) and represents an essentially equivalently-sized population. It's probably well within reason to cut it to 1/3 its size; that would put it on par with the parliament of Canada, which represents half as many people.

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lol

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so this guy is starting to look more and more like a piece of shit: https://www.facebook.com/corey.robin1/posts/1431794530219597?pnref=story

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In his speech at Versailles on Monday, Macron launched what The Guardian is calling his "personalised approach to the presidency" by calling for a cut to the number of seats in Parliament by a third, and for Parliament not to legislate but instead to "evaluate" the government's actions. If Parliament balks, Macron promises to put this reduction of the legislature (in size and scope) to a national plebiscite. He also warned against the poor and the weak becoming "wards of the state."

oh yep


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turns out the choice in france was insane corrupt girl nazi or wealthy dudebro nazi

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hey, hey, he's a royalist, not a nazi. big difference.

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wealthy dudebro royaltist with a handshake so firm you'll get tired of shaking hands

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Still, a better leader than trump.

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Hard to outdo Trump for fail.
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That's a good article. Thanks.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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ok Macron's recent speech on Africa is pretty convincing that he's a POS. Still better than Le Pen, but.

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ok Macron's recent speech on Africa is pretty convincing that he's a POS. Still better than Le Pen, but.
https://www.thedailyvox.co.za/macron-africa-not-country/

ugh

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Brand new Macron, same old colonialism

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France's newly elected president, Emmanuel Macron, when asked in a press conference at the G20 summit in Hamburg why there was no Marshall plan for Africa, explained that Africa had "civilisational" problems. He added that part of the challenge facing the continent was the countries that "still have seven to eight children per woman".

lol

eta: whoops somehow forgot we already posted about this, w/e


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Proof that America remains the dumbest of nations imo

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 :911:
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Huh, wonder what's going on?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-approval-rating-unpopular-vote-share-housing-support-job-reform-a7876861.html

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Mr Macron, France's youngest leader since Napoleon, is pushing through controversial plans to strip away workers' rights and labour market regulations.

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The early months of the president's administration have also been tarnished with allegations of financial irregularities among members of his government, as well as planned cuts to housing support for people on low-incomes.

oh

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Guapo needs to get over the new baby euphoria and get back in here. I need his odds on whether or not Macron's win will lead to a greater chance of LePen winning next time around, or preferably a Melenchon.

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the guap "liked" my post fwiw

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in more detail: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/france-rethinks-romance-macron-popularity-sinks-49061858

turns out that "not a nazi" doesn't actually provide a mandate for a "jupiterian" quasi-monarchical turn in government, huh!

le pen's gonna win next time, lol

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There are several localized Hegelian maelstroms in the world and France is one of them. Again.

Do we all have to live in interesting times?

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jerome has jerowned us all  :smith:

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in more detail: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/france-rethinks-romance-macron-popularity-sinks-49061858

turns out that "not a nazi" doesn't actually provide a mandate for a "jupiterian" quasi-monarchical turn in government, huh!

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The government also launched the labor reforms that were central to Macron's campaign promise to boost France's lagging economy through pro-free market policies. Changes would include capping the potential financial penalties for companies sued for firing employees and giving businesses greater leeway to set workplace rules instead of relying on collective bargaining agreements.

What do you expect from a former Rothschild guy? Are people really surprised that Macron is immediately moving against labor?

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Labor unions and France's far-left parties are fighting the reforms, saying they would weaken hard-won worker protections. Critics also resent the way Macron is trying to speed their approval. The government is invoking a special procedure to avoid a lengthy debate in parliament.

Daniel Fasquelle, a lawmaker from the conservative The Republicans party denounced Macron for what he called the "will to weaken all opposition" and for refusing to give interviews. Except for carefully choreographed photo opportunities, the president has distanced himself from the media. He canceled the traditional Bastille Day television interview.

Good god, they've basically elected a Trump/McConnell hybrid.

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le pen's gonna win next time, lol

Probably, and I'm sure the establishment and their media will find a way to blame it on Melenchon and the socialists.

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(((Rothschild guy)))

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 :staregonk: