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  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #50
ideas like that seemed a lot more plausible before anyone knew what an incompetent shitshow his admin would be. i remember back in december people telling me that it was only because i was a privileged white guy that i didn't think the time was right for civil war. not sure how many people really hold onto that anymore, my impression is that the major narrative has shifted from mussolini to berlusconi
I mostly agree, but there is still a far-left conspiracy bubble churning out there, and this guy clearly still thinks trump = hitler.

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #51
i don't honestly think it's clear what he thinks yet? i didn't see much about that on his FB page but it's also not necessarily his specific motive for shooting some GOP congressmen.

  • borealis
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Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #52
My husband is in the US for another day or two, could you guys not start a civil war until Saturday earliest, tks.

  • ToThePoint
  • search & destroy
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #53
making America great again...
BusinessInsider.com link: "Gun stocks jump after shooting at congressional baseball practice"
"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #54
My husband is in the US for another day or two, could you guys not start a civil war until Saturday earliest, tks.
no promises

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #55
this is about a mile from our apartment.  not a ton of details or hard facts yet.

the house gop baseball team was having practice when the shooting happened.  scalise, the house gop whip, was reportedly hit in the hip.

given scalise's flirtation with white supremacists, it's tempting to think he was targeted over that.  however, it sounds like this was a generalized shooting spree (50 shots fired), so maybe he wasn't specifically a target.

between the facts that an (apparently semiautomatic) rifle was used, and the shooter is in custody rather than dead, I am going to guess the shooter is white.
here's an instant-migraine inducing thought.  if and when the police determine that the person who was asking questions was not the same person as the shooter, and say so, the alt-right  will assume the original identification was true and that the police are engaged in a cover-up.
it's a completely irrelevant detail. like it doesn't seem to make sense for the shooter to ask that beforehand but the shooting could still be politically motivated.
Sure it does. He was double checking that he didn't get it wrong. Dumbass couldn't even kill one of them and he had a damn rifle.

Anyway, it seems pretty reasonable to me to assume he was an antifa type. There's a lot of hate out there right now directed at the gop.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #56
this is why conspiracy theories and opposition derangement syndrome are dangerous.  if you convince yourself someone is the devil, then anything you do to them will seem justified.

it's trickier to make this point with trump in office, because he is legitimately scary in a lot of ways, and his personality and track record make it realistic to worry about him abusing his power.  but we are dealing with that possibility, and the situation is more or less under control.  contrary to what this shooter thinks, trump has not crowned himself dictator.  he's not the next hitler.  those ideas have grown out of control because of people being dumb and conspiratorial in the far left bubble.

Well, given the rate of ICE detainments, I'm not sure I necessarily agree. We've seen some major concerted pushes by Trump to dismantle a lot of the civil rights protections within the US, including a consistent assault on the free media. Saying "well, Trump's just a corrupt grifter" ignores the fact that Trump absolutely is waging an aggressive policy war against civil rights and we don't really know what that endgame will look like.

I don't disagree that buddy here definitely had problems and that definitely led to both the fanatical political viewpoints and the subsequent political violence, and I agree that right now is not necessarily the time for political violence, but we really are in dangerous territory and saying "well, Trump is not bad enough to warrant assassination" probably is a statement that depends a lot on the relative security of your personal demographic.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #57
it might

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #58
i'm not gonna tell mulsims and latinos that he's just a buffoon, sure.

  • borealis
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Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #59
Some details about the shooter here:

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156065789.html

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #60
Some details about the shooter here:

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156065789.html
Quote
President Donald Trump said Hodgkinson died during gunfire exchanged with congressional security workers.

why the fuck do we need him to tell us that

eta: lol he even does the weird old man on internet thing of randomly capitalizing words

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #61
seriously though this is actually a bonanza for democrats who always disliked sanders' position on guns and want to connect him with the kind of angry white guys that make up trump's base.
it begins: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213283103137675&set=a.1974851496524.2120227.1400160054&type=3
i'm growing more and more annoyed by this the more i think about it. yes, sure, your sectarian crusade against the ~alt left~ is what matters here. it is important to use attachment to this guy to discredit political opponents in exactly the same way as i expect republican politicians to do. thanks!

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #62
this is about a mile from our apartment.  not a ton of details or hard facts yet.

the house gop baseball team was having practice when the shooting happened.  scalise, the house gop whip, was reportedly hit in the hip.

given scalise's flirtation with white supremacists, it's tempting to think he was targeted over that.  however, it sounds like this was a generalized shooting spree (50 shots fired), so maybe he wasn't specifically a target.

between the facts that an (apparently semiautomatic) rifle was used, and the shooter is in custody rather than dead, I am going to guess the shooter is white.
here's an instant-migraine inducing thought.  if and when the police determine that the person who was asking questions was not the same person as the shooter, and say so, the alt-right  will assume the original identification was true and that the police are engaged in a cover-up.
it's a completely irrelevant detail. like it doesn't seem to make sense for the shooter to ask that beforehand but the shooting could still be politically motivated.
Sure it does. He was double checking that he didn't get it wrong. Dumbass couldn't even kill one of them and he had a damn rifle.

Anyway, it seems pretty reasonable to me to assume he was an antifa type. There's a lot of hate out there right now directed at the gop.

He wasn't anti-fa. He was a bernie-bro who was apparently having health issues and who, based on his personal history of domestic violence, seems to respond violently to conflict. The dysfunction that led to this shooting seems pretty clear.

  • grit
  • redolent needling balm
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #63
My husband is in the US for another day or two, could you guys not start a civil war until Saturday earliest, tks.
One American perspective is that we've always been in an internal war amongst our own peoples. Your hubby is affiliated with my side, right?

  • borealis
  • Administrator
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #64
Some details about the shooter here:

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156065789.html
Quote
President Donald Trump said Hodgkinson died during gunfire exchanged with congressional security workers.

why the fuck do we need him to tell us that

eta: lol he even does the weird old man on internet thing of randomly capitalizing words
Have you not noticed yet that Trump's communications outside of rote political bullshit and rote personal aggrandisement (and even then sometimes) consists mostly of random irrelevancies? The man is an intellectual blank book. He's like one of those dumb notepads that have inane quotes at the top of each lined page.

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #65
this is about a mile from our apartment.  not a ton of details or hard facts yet.

the house gop baseball team was having practice when the shooting happened.  scalise, the house gop whip, was reportedly hit in the hip.

given scalise's flirtation with white supremacists, it's tempting to think he was targeted over that.  however, it sounds like this was a generalized shooting spree (50 shots fired), so maybe he wasn't specifically a target.

between the facts that an (apparently semiautomatic) rifle was used, and the shooter is in custody rather than dead, I am going to guess the shooter is white.
here's an instant-migraine inducing thought.  if and when the police determine that the person who was asking questions was not the same person as the shooter, and say so, the alt-right  will assume the original identification was true and that the police are engaged in a cover-up.
it's a completely irrelevant detail. like it doesn't seem to make sense for the shooter to ask that beforehand but the shooting could still be politically motivated.
Sure it does. He was double checking that he didn't get it wrong. Dumbass couldn't even kill one of them and he had a damn rifle.

Anyway, it seems pretty reasonable to me to assume he was an antifa type. There's a lot of hate out there right now directed at the gop.

He wasn't anti-fa. He was a bernie-bro who was apparently having health issues and who, based on his personal history of domestic violence, seems to respond violently to conflict. The dysfunction that led to this shooting seems pretty clear.
Yeah. I thought I was near the end of the thread and didn't realize that there were further developments. Still, leave it to a lefty to have an ar and a field full of GOP and manage to basically miss all of them.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #66
Some details about the shooter here:

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156065789.html
Quote
President Donald Trump said Hodgkinson died during gunfire exchanged with congressional security workers.

why the fuck do we need him to tell us that

eta: lol he even does the weird old man on internet thing of randomly capitalizing words
Have you not noticed yet that Trump's communications outside of rote political bullshit and rote personal aggrandisement (and even then sometimes) consists mostly of random irrelevancies? The man is an intellectual blank book. He's like one of those dumb notepads that have inane quotes at the top of each lined page.
shoulda been more clear, i was talking about the shooter in the eta

  • borealis
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Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #67
My husband is in the US for another day or two, could you guys not start a civil war until Saturday earliest, tks.
One American perspective is that we've always been in an internal war amongst our own peoples. Your hubby is affiliated with my side, right?
I dunno, he thinks Americans in general, though often good people, are a little unhinged and overly excitable (my American relatives don't help in dispelling that perception), but he's almost as much of a socialist as I am.

  • meepmeep
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  • zombiecat queen
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #68
It's cool that these Congresspeople are shaken and emotional and scared. Makes me fondly remember how few fucks they gave when it was 5 year olds being massacred at school. I hope they can find the strength to continue and finally vote to make sure silencers are legal.

Also lol testy yeah middle aged white guy from the Midwest sure screams antifa lol

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #69
I actually thought trump's statement was fine.  boilerplate professional and appropriate stuff presidents say after events like this.  breaking the news that the shooter had died was a little odd but not bad in any way.  maybe he has just beaten the shit out of my standards but I found myself pleasantly surprised there was nothing bitchy or partisan in his statement.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #70
My husband is in the US for another day or two, could you guys not start a civil war until Saturday earliest, tks.
One American perspective is that we've always been in an internal war amongst our own peoples. Your hubby is affiliated with my side, right?
I dunno, he thinks Americans in general, though often good people, are a little unhinged and overly excitable (my American relatives don't help in dispelling that perception), but he's almost as much of a socialist as I am.
and some, I assume, are good people

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #71
It's cool that these Congresspeople are shaken and emotional and scared. Makes me fondly remember how few fucks they gave when it was 5 year olds being massacred at school. I hope they can find the strength to continue and finally vote to make sure silencers are legal.

there really needs to be more mention of gabby giffords.

Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #72
It's cool that these Congresspeople are shaken and emotional and scared. Makes me fondly remember how few fucks they gave when it was 5 year olds being massacred at school. I hope they can find the strength to continue and finally vote to make sure silencers are legal.

Also lol testy yeah middle aged white guy from the Midwest sure screams antifa lol
I was using antifa too broadly as a generic holy shit attitude towards the current administration.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

  • meepmeep
  • Administrator
  • zombiecat queen
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #73
It's cool that these Congresspeople are shaken and emotional and scared. Makes me fondly remember how few fucks they gave when it was 5 year olds being massacred at school. I hope they can find the strength to continue and finally vote to make sure silencers are legal.

there really needs to be more mention of gabby giffords.

Well that was just a crazy guy! Nothing to worry about.

Anyway it's nice to see the American tradition of domestic abusers being able to own guns so they can go on to shoot a bunch of people. It's a good thing we don't take DV seriously.

  • borealis
  • Administrator
Re: Republican Congressmen reported shot in Washington
Reply #74
why the fuck do we need him to tell us that

eta: lol he even does the weird old man on internet thing of randomly capitalizing words
shoulda been more clear, i was talking about the shooter in the eta
The random capitalisation thing: I've thought that relates to pre-1970s grade school English teaching. We were taught generally to capitalise every 'important' word in a title or headline. If high school's as far as your schooling went, it's probably residual learned behaviour: