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Lol
So it looks like you have bailed from this thread. Again.

You really are determined to avoid learning anything, aren't you, Dave.
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Trump-Russia probe now includes possible cover-up, Congress is told

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The possibility of a cover-up is the third branch of an investigation that began as a look at Russian meddling in the election and broadened into whether members of the Trump campaign had cooperated in that efforts, according to the briefing, members of Congress said.
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From the politics forum.

NY Times reporting.... "Trump Told Russians That Firing 'Nut Job' Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation"

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President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved "great pressure" on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

"I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

Mr. Trump added, "I'm not under investigation."

The conversation, during a May 10 meeting -- the day after he fired Mr. Comey -- reinforces the notion that Mr. Trump dismissed him primarily because of the bureau's investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives. Mr. Trump said as much in one televised interview, but the White House has offered changing justifications for the firing.

[read more at NY Times.com]
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The degree of self-sabotage in the Trump White House is staggering

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The degree of paranoia, self-sabotage and incompetence endemic to this Trump White House is staggering. By stacking his inner circle with blindly loyal neophytes and assuming he knows far more than he does, Trump guarantees daily chaos. Consider the decision to suddenly fire Comey: how could this make strategic sense, given that any FBI director knows how to leak dirty secrets to the press? Was Trump aware doing so would only raise suspicions that he's taking part in a vast, Watergate-level cover-up?
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Well it's good to know that nested hierarchies have nothing whatsoever to do with taxonomy.  Good to know indeed.
Are you sure you don't have some kind of clinical impairment, Dave?

Nobody can be this stupid.

I have never come across someone so committed to his own abject ignorance. So driven to avoid learning anything.

Try reading for comprehension, not quote-mine-able nuggets.

Do the exercise you agreed with Pingu to do.

And one more time. Look around. Investigate. see how deep some of the branches go:

http://www.onezoom.org/life/

Or continue acting like a confused turnip.
I dare you to count the layers down to Monarda punctata.
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Well it's good to know that nested hierarchies have nothing whatsoever to do with taxonomy.  Good to know indeed.
Are you sure you don't have some kind of clinical impairment, Dave?

Nobody can be this stupid.

I have never come across someone so committed to his own abject ignorance. So driven to avoid learning anything.

Try reading for comprehension, not quote-mine-able nuggets.

Do the exercise you agreed with Pingu to do.

And one more time. Look around. Investigate. see how deep some of the branches go:

http://www.onezoom.org/life/

Or continue acting like a confused turnip.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Comey
Here is an article illustrating the RWNJ POV

It's a pretty good synopsis of the hard-core MAGA-bot narrative.
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Why?
Because you said you could get inanimate objects to nest. Get to it.
I can.  The way Denton does it.  But perhaps not the way YOU want it done ... which purportedly helps your cause of trying to say "Therefore Darwin" ... and I don't even think YOU can do it properly with "Life" as you think you can.
This isn't just a couple of people in an insignificant forum that nobody cares about, Dave. This has been done. Starting with Linnaeus. People, lots of people, have DISCOVERED, that life sorts into a nested hierarchy that extends thousand of layers deep.
http://www.onezoom.org/life/
Please look at that website. It's the 3rd or 4th time I've posted it.

Unless you think that's it's the result of trolls randomly ejaculating nonsense into a cool webpage design in a vast conspiracy that involves literally every biologist, living or dead,  you have to admit that there's an extraordinary difference between biological systems and man-made ones.
"THOUSANDS" of layers now.  Wow!  This is an awesome big fish story!
It looks like you can now Sponsor a Leaf.

I'm tempted to sponsor Microsporidium sp. BLAP1 LAP, one of the more deeply nested species, in Dave's name.
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To answer DaveG's question, yes, we could add "motor powered vehicles" as follows ...

Schwinn Cobra (made up name)
-Schwinn Mountain 10 speeds
--Schwinn 10 speeds
---Schwinn bikes
----Bikes
-----Human powered land vehicles / Motor powered land vehicles
------Powered land vehicles
-------Land Vehicles
--------Vehicles
---------Manufactured products
----------Manmade products
-----------Inanimate objects


Over to you.
the red bit is the bit that effectively dissolves that nest.

If you actually went through the exercise you would have learned that. But you won't, so instead you wallow in ignorance and delude yourself that you're 'running circles' around darwinsts. Sad.
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Why?
Because you said you could get inanimate objects to nest. Get to it.
I can.  The way Denton does it.  But perhaps not the way YOU want it done ... which purportedly helps your cause of trying to say "Therefore Darwin" ... and I don't even think YOU can do it properly with "Life" as you think you can.
This isn't just a couple of people in an insignificant forum that nobody cares about, Dave. This has been done. Starting with Linnaeus. People, lots of people, have DISCOVERED, that life sorts into a nested hierarchy that extends thousand of layers deep.
http://www.onezoom.org/life/
Please look at that website. It's the 3rd or 4th time I've posted it.

Unless you think that's it's the result of trolls randomly ejaculating nonsense into a cool webpage design in a vast conspiracy that involves literally every biologist, living or dead,  you have to admit that there's an extraordinary difference between biological systems and man-made ones.
"THOUSANDS" of layers now.  Wow!  This is an awesome big fish story!
Look at the fucking website, you stupid little turd. Shit!
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I'm thinking that 99.9% of those professional scientists have not concerned themselves with "nested hierarchies" at all.

 Which makes me wonder why it is so important to you
YOU started the thread.

YOU thought you had something to 'teach' the rest of us on the subject.

YOU can't seem to get the basic principle correct, despite several half-assed attempts and thousands of posts carefully explaining it to you.

It's important only if you consider reality and truth to be important. I, personally, find it offensive when some ignorant blowhard criticizes something he hasn't the first clue about.
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Why?
Because you said you could get inanimate objects to nest. Get to it.
I can.  The way Denton does it.  But perhaps not the way YOU want it done ... which purportedly helps your cause of trying to say "Therefore Darwin" ... and I don't even think YOU can do it properly with "Life" as you think you can.
This isn't just a couple of people in an insignificant forum that nobody cares about, Dave. This has been done. Starting with Linnaeus. People, lots of people, have DISCOVERED, that life sorts into a nested hierarchy that extends thousand of layers deep.
http://www.onezoom.org/life/
Please look at that website. It's the 3rd or 4th time I've posted it.

Unless you think that's it's the result of trolls randomly ejaculating nonsense into a cool webpage design in a vast conspiracy that involves literally every biologist, living or dead,  you have to admit that there's an extraordinary difference between biological systems and man-made ones.
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You can do what I did with any other item you choose ... can you not see that? Why do I have to actually go through all the motions?
Because you still don't get it. Your nests dissolve when you start adding more items. You don't believe they will, but they do. You won't believe it until you do the work yourself.

Have you tried playing around here yet?
Show me an example of them dissolving
I already have. In my previous post. You can't see it  because you are incredibly stupid. But if you do the work yourself, you may start to catch a glimmer of the truth.
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You can do what I did with any other item you choose ... can you not see that? Why do I have to actually go through all the motions?
Because you still don't get it. Your nests dissolve when you start adding more items. You don't believe they will, but they do. You won't believe it until you do the work yourself.

Have you tried playing around here yet?
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Do you have another category called "motor powered vehicles"? Because I can break that with the "Whizzer" (not actually a made-up name), a bike that used a Schwinn frame but bolted a little petrol engine to it to get a bit more speed.

So now you have something that goes in two categories.
Well, be fair, at least we are making (some kind) of progress.

Dave. Where would you put the 'vehicle' I own: the Specialized Turbo?
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Galaxies
-Spiral galaxies
--Barred spiral galaxies
---Milky Way galaxy
----Stars
-----Yellow dwarf stars
------Yellow dwarf stars with planets
-------Our Sun
--------Planet Earth
---------Natural objects
----------Manmade objects
-----------Made in factories
------------Vehicles
-------------Rolls
--------------Bicycle
---------------Schwinn 10 speed

What's wrong with this?
lol
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Source of the nutrients?

A bag from the local COOP I guess.

There were several other parts to my question, Dave.


That was the only part he could see.
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I don't think 'made in factories' fits very well where it is. There are plenty of vehicles not made in factories.
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What makes you think that I thought a bicycle is a galaxy?

Well what feature is shared by both bicycles and galaxies?

Remember - everything within a nest has to share a property or feature.  What feature do bicycles and galaxies have in common?
Both are non-life, both are composed of atoms ...
Dave. Give up.

You will never understand this.

You have Failed, Dave.
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So I just showed you that nonlife nests even more deeply.

ZOMFG!

Therefore, the flying spaghetti monster

Or something
Failed, Dave.

Dave, you have Failed.
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What's that? Something like 15 levels deep?

 You were saying something about life nesting very deeply?
Holy shit you are stupid Dave.

What does your brain do when it encounters something like this?
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Also, by the way, Dave, vehicles are part of non-life. If you don't think vehicles-life is an apples-apples comparison, why not vehicles-mammals? Vehicles are part of non-life, mammals are part of life. Sounds like apples-apples to me. Mammals nest, vehicles don't.

/thread


Dave is very welcome to try with a set of natural non-living things.  How about:

Mountain
Ocean
Glacier
River
Geyser
Volcano
Waterfall
Cliff
I was thinking more along the lines of ...

Granite boulder
Sewing needle
The Mona Lisa
A Schwinn 10 speed bike
The Milky Way galaxy
A helium atom
Protons

Etc




You Have Failed Dave
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It's hard to believe that I went through all this in excruciating detail with simple pictures and explanations and everything and these people with PhD's still can't get their heads around it.
You also 'went through in excruciating detail with simple pictures and explanations and everything' how trees cause rain. What a tard fest that was. Good times.

The problem that you never seem to appreciate is not that people here 'can't get their heads around' what you are saying, it's that they have valid objections that you are never able to address, if you can even see them at all. It's hard to know exactly how much your demon lets in.

Just because you take as holy writ anything your designated deities say (in this case Savory) doesn't mean the rest of us are straitjacketed by a similar affliction.