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Here's another pic of my 10 acres ...
So where's the border with the adjacent, "non-improved" land, so we can see the much claimed (but never supported) difference you've made? 
This is about a 2 year old photo ...  if you took one right now the visual difference would be greater.
Well that's weird. In the second screenshot he 'blue scribbled' the identifying road markers, but failed to do it in the first. I wonder why he went to that effort in the second image but not the first?

BTW, anyone can take 5 seconds and look at the google map images and see that his neighbor on the other side of the trees has a much greener area around their house, just to the right of his yellow line. and beyond that, on the east side of another band of trees, it's even greener. FWIW.
Thread title "Relax, Donald Trump is Stone Cold Sane" is wrong.

He might be sane. but last night showed that it's decidedly not of the "Stone Cold" kind of sanity one should expect from a president. That train-wreck of a deceitful rant showed a man completely unfit for the office he holds, and who is either batshit insane or actively trying to undermine the free press and foment civil war. Dave, if you still support this, you will have to own the consequences. It is not going to end well.

I can't help but notice that Dave never did tell us what really happened at Charlottesville...  :( 
Here's an interesting eyewitness account:

How I Became Fake News
I witnessed a terrorist attack in Charlottesville. Then the conspiracy theories began

Did I actually have to worry that the president of the United States might launch an investigation against me because I happened to capture footage of a white supremacist terror attack and spoke publicly about what I saw? I realized I couldn't rule it out, and that frankly scares the hell out of me--for my family, but particularly for our country.

Over the past week, I've seen personally the very real damage that these conspiracy theories have on our public discourse. The danger is not necessarily that a large number of people will believe them in their entirety. Instead, it's that they muddy the waters on issues that should be about right and wrong. This is truly dangerous. If we are to get beyond this current acute manifestation of the cancer of American racism and begin to heal, the right must join with the left to excise the malignancy of white supremacy from our politics and society. Conspiratorial thinking and confusion on what is real make this much harder.

By introducing doubt about what happened, even if their theories conflict with one another, these sites make it easier to argue that the Unite the Right rally was not just about white supremacy. In fact, we heard the president say that there were good people who were just there to defend Southern history and culture and peacefully protest removing the Robert E. Lee statue. Just as his equivocation and failure to condemn the alt-right enables and helps grow their twisted movement, the president's warm embrace of conspiracy theories, rejection of journalistic standards, and propagation of noncredible sources of information embolden and grow the numbers of Americans looking for another explanation besides the uncomfortable truth.

Sometimes the story is not complicated: Nazis are bad, and I just happened to witness one of them commit a terrorist attack. I didn't want the attention that came with having seen this horrific act, but I will continue to join the millions of Americans speaking out about its undeniable cause.

We need to stop reading and believing imaginary plots. And we all need to continue to speak out and act, both against white supremacy and the culture of conspiracy that has taken root in our country.

You see that Dave? We need to stop reading and believing imaginary plots.

We need to stop reading and believing imaginary plots
Water.  I have not fully tested this yet, but I think roof catchment is going to be the solution for my area.  For a 700 square-foot house, you're looking at almost 2000 feet of roof catchment area considering slopes and porches and overhangs.  My area in Missouri gets at least 3 feet of water per year so that is 6000 ft.³ available per household  which is more than 40,000 gallons  which is more than 100 gallons per day year around.  So this alone is plenty. And we haven't even talked about ponds recently.  Don't worry, Mike I've got plenty of water.
Given your tendency, no, reflexive instinct to reject all facts that contradict your fantasy reality, why would anyone sign on to davetopia? Sure you have plenty of water. We can all rest easy about that. Also, there's Lake K that we haven't heard a peep from you about since Pingu tricked you into briefly realizing that it completely invalidates YEC.

Your delusions will offer little comfort to malnourished and dehydrated davetopia dwellers. Its pure insanity all the way down.
Which part makes me look LESS stupid?

Well, trying to give your interpretation of the events at Charlottesville, like you said, would be a good start. Or, at least, an earnest attempt.

Since he simply can't believe that his Dear Leader can be wrong about anything, he's already convinced himself that the folks who showed up to counter ACTUAL FUCKING NAZIS are actually worse than ACTUAL FUCKING NAZIS, who ACTUALLY KILLED SOMEONE BY RAMMING THEIR VEHICLE INTO A CROWD.

Which kind of puts him in a difficult position wrt. maintaining any facade of basic human decency.
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
McMasters is gone TOO?
Being a scientist who prides himself on "not sucking at science", you are no doubt familiar with the process of considering ALL possible hypotheses ... so I'm sure you've considered this one wrt the "many fine people" remark ...

Hypothesis: the "many fine people" who marched believed that they were protesting reverse discrimination against whites.

Also, how is the WaPo post a "neener neener" post?
The response to this is in the form of a quote from the other forum:

What strikes me is that it would have been so easy to comment on violent antifa tactics without drawing a moral equivalency between the them and the supremacists.

tbh I rather question this assumption that he's drawing a moral equivalency between the 2 sides, I think he is appearing to but only on the most superficial level ('both sides') which is the fig leaf enabling him to pass this off to people who won't go any deeper such as McCain. But what he's really saying if you read it carefully (which the fascists at Daily Stormer are doing as it's directed at them) is the people standing up to fascism were the ones in the wrong. They 'charged' the fascists, 'with clubs', 'they were the aggressors initially', he even said 'they didn't have a permit' to even be there but the fascists did (which apparently was a lie). On the other hand the fascists, who include some 'good people' were trying to conduct a 'peaceful' and legally authorised demonstration in a cause he is stating explicitly that he supports (ie. defending 'our heritage'). He's clearly taking his narrative directly from David Duke.

I suspect he's also trying to create grounds for further control of anti fascist demonstrations.

Your president is clearly siding with the Nazis on this one, Dave. Clearly. What do you do now, Dave? What does your conscience tell you? Maintain blind support? The Nazis are relying on precisely that response from folks just. like. you.
I completely disagree with the Nazi philosophy.  However, I am in favor of free speech as long as it's non-violent and follows established laws.  I am even in favor of people like YOU GUYS being free to voice your wacko views!

So why are you not appalled at Trump's failure to repudiate their support for him?
If I were president, I would want everyone to support me. Even people like you.  Why would he not want someone who's a Nazi to support him? ( or an atheist, or a evolutionist, and so on )

 Your logic is really strange.







Dave, do you even know WHAT NAZI MEANS?
This is what happens when your moral compass is a 2000 year-old collection of fables and myths.

Does the Bible mention Nazis? Why no. No it doesn't.

Is the bible ambiguous about human slavery? Why yes. Yes it is.

Conclusion: Nazis might be OK. Let's wait to see what Dear Leader says.
I completely disagree with the Nazi philosophy.  However, I am in favor of free speech as long as it's non-violent and follows established laws.  I am even in favor of people like YOU GUYS being free to voice your wacko views!

So why are you not appalled at Trump's failure to repudiate their support for him?
And besides, we know what happens when you let Nazis run amok unopposed. How many millions had to die for that lesson to be learned? Do we really have to go through that again?

Nazis are not "very fine people", Dave. Those who stand in solidarity with Nazis are not "very fine people". Those in authority who offer support and tacit encouragement of Nazis have learned some pretty disturbing lessons from history. Those who maintain support for such authority figures are starting to look rather despicable, wouldn't you think, Dave?

I think the point that people here are having trouble dealing with regarding your attitude is trying to parse what appears to be acceptance of overt racism and indeed fascism. There are some distinct historical parallels going on here. When your president is interpreted as lending, at the very least, tacit support for self-avowed Nazis, you have to begin to wonder if you should still be on that side. That is if you understand the issue and consider yourself to have any semblance of morality. If someone in authority describes one side as comprising "very fine people" and those people have stood in solidarity beside Nazis, to many people those "very fine" people have crossed a line and are no longer quite so "very fine". And that in turn brings into question the morality of the authority issuing those statements.

So, Dave, the question for you is, given a binary choice, would you find yourself standing on the side of the Nazis, or on the side of those who oppose Nazism and everything it stands for? Because it looks to a lot of people quite obvious which side your president has chosen. And it looks suspiciously like you have also already chosen. Please tell me I'm wrong.
Hey Dave - are you ready to concede that your president is an enabler of Nazis yet?
Haha ... Pingu buys fake news like she buys fake science ...

Here's an FB comment I read and reposted yesterday ...

"While I agree with your sentiment [white people should not be racist], ..
Dave. Quick quiz for you.

Can you finish the following?

... All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do  [your answer here]
jesus christ
is the answer

 There. I finished the sentence.
lol wut?
Hey Dave - are you ready to concede that your president is an enabler of Nazis yet?
Haha ... Pingu buys fake news like she buys fake science ...

Here's an FB comment I read and reposted yesterday ...

"While I agree with your sentiment [white people should not be racist], ..
Dave. Quick quiz for you.

Can you finish the following?

... All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do  [your answer here]
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
What has Donald Trump done since he has been in office!!!
1.Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch
2. 59 missiles dropped in Syria.
3.He took us out of TPP
4.Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
5.Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index125.6
6.Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a 7 year high.
7.Arranged 20% Tariff on soft lumber from Canada.
8.Bids for border wall are well underway.
9.Pulled out of the lopsided Paris accord.
10.Keystone pipeline approved.
11.NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%
12.Allowing VA to terminate bad employees.
13.Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans.
14.More than 600,000. Jobs created
15. Median household income at a 7 year high.
16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever In its history.
17. China agreed to American import of beef.
18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks.
19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining.
20. MOAB for ISIS
21. Travel ban reinstated.
22. Executive order for religious freedom.
23. Jump started NASA
24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget.
25. Targeting of MS13 gangs
26. Deporting violent illegal immigrants.
27. Signed legislative 41 bills to date ( I didn't even know that least the fake media tell us)

28. Created a commission on child trafficking
29. Created a commission on voter fraud
30. Created a commission for opioids addiction.
31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients.
32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007.
33. Historic Black College University initiative
34. Women In Entrepreneurship Act
35. Created an office or illegal immigrant crime victims.
36. Reversed Dodd-Frank
37. Repealed DOT ruling which would have taken power away from local governments for infrastructure planning

38. Order to stop crime against law enforcement.
39. End of DAPA program.
40. Stopped companies from moving out of America.
41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs.
42. Encouraged country to once again 'Buy American and hire American .
43. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they are America first
44. Cutting regulations 2 for every one created.
45. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years.
46. $78 Billion promised reinvestment from major businesses like Exxon, Bayer, Apple, SoftBank, Toyota...

47. Denied FBI a new building.
48. $700 million saved with F-35 renegotiation.
49. Saves $22 million by reducing white house payroll.
50. Dept of treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017(2nd largest in history.)

51. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in Egypt. 52. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years.
53. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence And Economic Growth.

54. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people's lives than any President in the history of America.

55. President Trump has worked with Congress to pass more legislation in his first 100 days than any President since Truman.

56. Has given head executive of each branches 6 month time Frame dated March 15 2017, to trim the fat. restructure and improve efficacy of their branch. (Observe the pushback, the leaks, & the lies as entrenched POWER refuses to go silently into that good night!)

57. No Fed Funds to Sanctuary Cities.
58. Lastly, Refused his Presidential Pay Check, donated it to Veterans issues.
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Mueller has impaneled a Grand Jury in DC.
Typical freeper response:

To: Vlad The Inhaler
Wow. Robert Mueller is in VIOLATION OF THE LAW for his conflict of interest in this matter and.. NO ONE IN THE DOJ OR CONGRESS CARES.

87 posted on 8/3/2017, 2:02:01 PM by CivilWarBrewing (Feminism DESTROYED females)
Who's heads were going to roll again, Dave?

Mueller has impaneled a Grand Jury in DC.

Dave? Yoohoo?
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Predicably, the free republic take on this is all "LEAKS!!!"
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse

"the world's greatest person who doesn't want to let people into the country", is a weird thing to say, but suggests on some level he knows he's in the wrong. Like, look at all these garbage anti-immigrant people around me, but I'm a good one. It's egotistical as fuck, but interesting.
What the fuck is "local milk people"?
I don't disagree with that. But at some point "at least they won't be as shitty for everything else" doesn't do much to motivate you to vote. It all depends on just how shitty the Republican candidate is.

I'd probably feel differently if we weren't so obviously moving backwards on the issue of women's reproductive rights. And so quickly too. It really is a fundamental issue, but people still view it as some fringe minor shit like we're arguing about the difference between a $15 minimum wage and a $12.50 minimum wage. If anti-abortion activists weren't making so much progress, I don't think I'd care as much, but this is seriously worrisome because I can easily see pro-life Democrats happily signing away what little remains, and I don't want to be like goddamn Ireland where a woman with complications during pregnancy is left to die because Jesus.

Then again, you could be living in El Salvador, where women are jailed for having a miscarriage.
I wonder what Dave's take is now on "Survivor Apprentice - White House Edition"

Any comments, Dave?
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Trump makes US seem a 'kleptocracy', says ex-ethics chief Walter Shaub

"You've had countries in the world who have suddenly booked major events at his hotel that they used to hold elsewhere. You've had businesses and charities - and these could be international businesses - with the ability to hold events at his place and basically funnel money to the president in the hopes that it will influence his decision making, and we can't know for sure that it doesn't."