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Messages - JonF

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Let's move on from this water nonsense. 

Let's talk about land allocation.  Will someone please explain to me why we EVER started the practice of BUYING AND SELLING LAND?

This was a foreign concept to the Native Americans and it seems like a really ridiculous idea to me as well.
^^^^
#23176.
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You're an idiot.

What I'm saying is that the system eliminates [actually ... outcompetes] harmful pathogens so quickly and efficiently that there is no possible chance of getting a large enough concentration of harmful pathogens in anything downstream from the system.
Which, of course, is bullshit.
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A low level of pathogen ingestion is actually helpful for the immune system as studies on the Amish are now confirming.
[citation required]
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On my current property, the pond catchment area is uphill from dwellings but even if it were downhill it wouldn't matter because the Joe Jenkins composting toilet system is so efficient that there would be no possibility of contamination.
You are not using a Jenkins composting system.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Trump's Afghanistan War Plan: Fight Forever and Call It 'Victory'

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Put more descriptively, Trump is defining victory in terms of things the military must keep doing--attacking, obliterating, crushing, preventing, stopping. That gives the lie to Trump's hand-wave that "our commitment is not unlimited, and our support is not a blank check." The only way for the Trumpist conception of victory to mean anything is for American troops to patrol Afghanistan indefinitely, until the ever elusive and indefinable point when their Afghan protégés can outlast the Taliban.
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All of them, Katie [1]
I know she didn't say exactly that
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
I imagine they can't follow him around the course in their big ass SUVs? 
but they're his goddamn golf carts
And the money the SS pays is his goddamn money.
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Why do all energy needs have to come from solar power? Why not wind and hydro? Do you have no running water in this area? No wind? Because while solar is more practical in the UK now than it used to be, even ten years ago, if you want to really go for renewables then wind, tidal, or hydroelectric are probably more practical.
He has a stream IIRC.  Of course he doesn't know what head is in this context or how much he has. Or a ram pump.
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I must have missed something. Was there ever a point to this drug-induced hallucination? If so, what was it?
Was there ever a point?

To this thought experiment?  Yes ... the point is to really think through what life would be like if you could ...

1) Eliminate land acquisition costs (a concept unheard of to many people throughout history, for example, Native Americans)
2) Create sustainable, sensible housing for everyone
3) Set up food production systems that truly require only about 1 hour per day of labor per person

Think about it ...
* If people did not have to buy land, thus eliminating land acquisition mortgages ...
* If everyone's houses only require about 1 month to build and cost $10,000 or less in materials to build, then no one would have enslaving mortgages to pay on for 30 years ...
* Almost all energy needs came from solar power ...
* If everyone could truly produce most of their own "real" food needs on only 1 hour per day of labor ...

Imagine how freeing that would be!  Think about how much free time everyone would have on their hands!  Imagine the creativity that could be spawned with such a setup!  Imagine how Education of Children, Elder Care and many other things in life could be greatly enhanced!!

Wow!!
This ^^^^^
You left out 4) All the fatal flaws will be eliminated by magic.
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I have recorded my results ... just not in formats approved by your ilk.
Let's see 'em.

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  And of course, I DO know what kind of ecosystem I have and I already have some metrics for measuring improvement, although I'm open to other metrics.
Describe your ecosystem and list your metrics.

Bet you don't know the meaning of "metrics". Hint: it does not mean subjective evaluations.
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No Dave, you're not. Or if you are you've totally failed to record your results. Remember how you're claiming to "improve the ecosystem" yet you have no idea what ecosystem you have to start with, or indeed any idea about what metrics you'd use to measure this "improvement".
And he claimed to be keeping records but refuses to post any of them.  Why?
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I must have missed something. Was there ever a point to this drug-induced hallucination? If so, what was it?
Was there ever a point?

To this thought experiment?  Yes ... the point is to really think through what life would be like if you could ...

1) Eliminate land acquisition costs (a concept unheard of to many people throughout history, for example, Native Americans)
2) Create sustainable, sensible housing for everyone
3) Set up food production systems that truly require only about 1 hour per day of labor per person
You missed one.

4) All the fatal flaws in your fantasy will be fixed by magic.
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I must have missed something. Was there ever a point to this drug-induced hallucination? If so, what was it?
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Comic relief thread
Ivanka & Jared



Look again.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Comic relief thread
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Of course we can reduce this thing to 5 years if we want to.  Won't affect the thought experiment.
Every change you propose underscores the stupidity of this fantasy.

Let's extend it to 10 generations,  250 years.
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Again ... for the purpose of the thought experiment, we are assuming that no one leaves for 10 years.  Prison sentence.  Island with no chance of rescue ... whatever.  The point is to try to brainstorm through the various issues people will encounter over the 10 years.
So, moving farther and farther away from reality.

A thought experiment should be based on reality. What you have is a fantasy. And a particularly stupid one.
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Everybody is issued computers on Day 1 which last 10 years ( I suppose they would have to be Macs).  Everybody is also issued $5000 of cash. They can pay for internet service with this cash and earn cash by selling goods and services outside the community.
What Internet service?  Who's setting up the cable/fiber?

It is kinda disappointing to see you've abandoned the idea of sustainability.  That once was the core of your ideas. Now you aren't even trying to be more sustainable than BIg Ag.  Sad!
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Or which heads will roll? I'm hoping it's Trump's. Can it be Trump's? Let's have it be Trump's for today.
I think it may be Clapper and Brennan.  Maybe Obama too.
Sooo, care to make this a bet, Dave?
Put the stakes in escrow. And get an unbiased third-party judge.
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Nobody is absolved from anything. All of us are racist or prejudiced to some degree or another  and there is no excuse for it.

We're not talking about "to some degree or another". We're talking about the ultimate evil. Not to be compared with the failings of the average person.

On one side there are Nazis and people who think it's OK to march with Nazis. On the other side there are non-Nazis. This is not an ethical conundrum.

Trump had a chance to do the right thing. He chose to pander to Nazis. As the very right-wing Eric Erickson said,

This is Not Sustainable. Something Has to Give. The Nation Cannot Tolerate 3.5 More Years of This.

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Very few alt-right but I haven't seen a count.