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Okay, so I have known a few anarchists who have been more violent/destructive.
well, cards on the table, i deff didn't say the anarchists i know are opposed to political violence. they aren't. but if that makes them dangerous, that is a danger not specific to anarchists.

Few people are absolutely opposed to political violence, but Americans are so used to brushing it under the table that it's impolite to talk about it unless the kind of violence we're talking about is bombing people in other countries.

I don't even have a clear personal definition of where the line is and when it's okay to cross over. But it's pretty obvious to me that people who literally want to create a white ethno-state are not going to stay non-violent forever no matter how many college campuses we let them on and how many rallies they can have. The whole point of the ideology is violence.

And this discussion over how many of them were or weren't there is silly. It doesn't take huge numbers for extremist groups to fucking kill people. How come this point is obvious when we're talking about ISIS and AQ but not the far right lunatic crowd?

Yeah how much more of a platform do they need to express their ideas? The Vice interview says it all.
:colbert:

I can grow exactly what he is showing there, but very little else its true.

Of course, better that than bald :)

if you can grow that sort of moustache, you should totally do that.
Then you will start calling me Alex :(
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:colbert:

I can grow exactly what he is showing there, but very little else its true.

Of course, better that than bald :)
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Oh so last night I looked into my great great grandfather's service in the Civil War, and it turns out he served under Sherman! He received his second wound at Kennesaw Mtn (the first was at Missionary Ridge). He went back again after healing, and then reenlisted and served in the occupation after the war.


My Great Great Grandfather and his brother served under Sherman as well. His brother died during the Battle of Atlanta.


:fistbump:
Check out this old timey badass here. Elijah Tracy Hibbard. 26th Ohio, Army of the Cumberland. Lived to 90 too.
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Okay. Is anybody doing anything other than this though? I mean, I think we all agree with their goal of opposing fascists, right? If there are "members who are anarchists" who have goals like overthrowing the government or causing general chaos (and is there any evidence that there are? is there any evidence that there's a significant faction with those goals?), I think we are probably all (or at least mostly all) opposed to those goals. I'm really not seeing any indication that it's something worth worrying about right now though.

so i am going to let on a little bit about why i call bullshit on ty's facile dire warnings about the anarch menace. in my irl political activism i know and work with people who are self-described anarchists. committed anarchists do not have "causing general chaos" as a goal, and although by definition they believe in getting rid of all governments, there is a variety of ideas about how to do this. generally speaking they believe in local actions to hold power-holders accountable while building up community organizations that are owned and operated in common. to the extent that they seek broad systemic change, they are not particularly different from other radical socialist tendencies. i can see why the people would disagree with their ideal (as i said, i don't really think it's plausible) but i find the reflexive horror at the prospect of anarchism as an existing ideology people believe in to be bizarre and indicative of, well, a fox news level understanding of the idea, which is then fed through some 19th century anthropology shit about "civilization" as a meaningful or interesting concept that represents something valuable.
Just as a quick followup to this: the reason I don't identify as an anarchist is...have you ever attempted consensus driven management? UGH FUCKING HIPPIES
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Okay. Is anybody doing anything other than this though? I mean, I think we all agree with their goal of opposing fascists, right? If there are "members who are anarchists" who have goals like overthrowing the government or causing general chaos (and is there any evidence that there are? is there any evidence that there's a significant faction with those goals?), I think we are probably all (or at least mostly all) opposed to those goals. I'm really not seeing any indication that it's something worth worrying about right now though.

so i am going to let on a little bit about why i call bullshit on ty's facile dire warnings about the anarch menace. in my irl political activism i know and work with people who are self-described anarchists. committed anarchists do not have "causing general chaos" as a goal, and although by definition they believe in getting rid of all governments, there is a variety of ideas about how to do this. generally speaking they believe in local actions to hold power-holders accountable while building up community organizations that are owned and operated in common. to the extent that they seek broad systemic change, they are not particularly different from other radical socialist tendencies. i can see why the people would disagree with their ideal (as i said, i don't really think it's plausible) but i find the reflexive horror at the prospect of anarchism as an existing ideology people believe in to be bizarre and indicative of, well, a fox news level understanding of the idea, which is then fed through some 19th century anthropology shit about "civilization" as a meaningful or interesting concept that represents something valuable.
Yeah, pretty much this. I've known quite a few people who consider themselves anarchists and I've never once thought to myself that.they represented something dangerous. In fact, on most issues, I am in their camp (or.vice versa really). I think ty sees a radicalized college student breaking a.store window and gets vapors.
I knew many of the folks in the Cass Corridor collective. Cool folks, had a great band, fought against the general decay taking over the rest of Detroit, made ironic comments about how a lot of their buildings had previously been used by the Purple Gang.
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Oh so last night I looked into my great great grandfather's service in the Civil War, and it turns out he served under Sherman! He received his second wound at Kennesaw Mtn (the first was at Missionary Ridge). He went back again after healing, and then reenlisted and served in the occupation after the war.

Also did this last night
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Antifa as a movement (the group, not the term) contains a good number of anarchists.  Do people genuinely not care about this?
No masters.
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I already posted that in the Trumpocalypse thread.

Homestuck is real, with Trump playing Guy Fieri's role (?)
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pretty sure that's bart

I am not Bart. I never met the guy but from what I understand he is permanently banned so there is no possible way he could be posting here.
Shut up Stopper
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"Lee's army rounded up escaped slaves and free blacks and shipped them to the Deep South.

That's what his ethics were. The man was an immoral monster."



Not at all! He was terribly moral... when white men of the gentlemanly classes were concerned. And even - such saintliness! - to the Great Unwashed under his command, in that typically paternalistic, condescending 19th century way.

He just reckoned black people didn't count for shit. But that really was no sort of black mark on his reputation at all at the time: it was considered perfectly acceptable, because generally attitudes to black people ranged from open, vicious hostility to indifference.

And apparently, a lot of people still do not see it as much of a problem.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
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Re: the discussion on whether to put names to faces

I was really gung ho on this idea as I felt in the past when one of these Nazi marches happened, the good guys just had to take it or resort to physical violence. But with outing them, we finally had a way to actually get on their heads and give them pause. Nazis are only emboldened by protesters yelling at them or punching them in the face, but you take away their jobs and turn their friends, family and coworkers against them then you could really retaliate and actually make them stop for a second and consider what's happening. But my fiancé brought up a good point, outing them also has the potential for turning them into heroes and martyrs and possibly emboldens the alt right (NAZIS)even more.

It'll be interesting to see how the modern white supremacist march/rally plays out in the world of social media. I'm hoping cuz they're not wearing hoods anymore, they might actually have something to fear
Our hero the martyr geting fired from the hot dog stand in Berkeley
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Arts and Entertainment / Re: Whatcha playing'?
Just checked. I'm at 245 hours. Mother of god,
Pft think I have more than that in L4D2
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Arts and Entertainment / Re: Whatcha playing'?
Does it rival my 1600 hours or whatever of EVE:Online?
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Arts and Entertainment / Re: Whatcha playing'?
How are you just now playing it?
Haven't had huge amounts of time the past number of years and when I have I am a bit of a one game at a time sort that then plays the hell out of it. I played the original Quake through the end of Quake3Arena's live span, for example, until they shut down the good servers. And the past few years I have been grinding SW:TOR/EVE/WoW vOv

I mean I have had it in my Steam Library for years and have played Portal already so

Of course  I haven't even finished the original Baldurs Gate yet, should get back to it someday soon I guess
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Good chance Russian hacking of election systems was responsible for irregularities in voting access in at least several districts:

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/10/542634370/russian-cyberattack-targeted-elections-vendor-tied-to-voting-day-disruptions

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When people in several North Carolina precincts showed up to vote last November, weird things started to happen with the electronic systems used to check them in.

"Voters were going in and being told that they had already voted -- and they hadn't," recalls Allison Riggs, an attorney with the Southern Coalition for Social Justice.

The electronic systems -- known as poll books -- also indicated that some voters had to show identification, even though they did not.

Investigators later discovered the company that provided those poll books had been the target of a Russian cyberattack.

There is no evidence the two incidents are linked, but the episode has revealed serious gaps in U.S. efforts to secure elections. Nine months later, officials are still trying to sort out the details.
Nice but you should post this in the voter disenfranchisement thread too
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Arts and Entertainment / Re: Whatcha playing'?
Don't recall being told do so no?

Other than my budddy guard, we shared cans
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Arts and Entertainment / Re: Whatcha playing'?
Finished New Vegas for the NCR, before I play the other endings and wander the wasteland more I am playing through Half Life 2. So far its recognizably Half Life but with better graphics. Had fun shoving shoes and hats at my fellow travellers