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Messages - meepmeep

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Whether interference changed the outcome of the election is basically unknowable and isn't really the most important question to be asking, especially since you'll never reach a satisfactory answer.

this isn't going to stop people from acting on the assumption that it was super effective, is my concern.

Why is that a big deal?

The degree of success of the interference doesn't change the fact that it was an aggressive act by the Russian government that deserves a diplomatic response of some kind and some introspection on what we can do to root out the ratfuckers in our shitty ass dumb government who happily played along.
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Whether interference changed the outcome of the election is basically unknowable and isn't really the most important question to be asking, especially since you'll never reach a satisfactory answer.
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Like I keep saying, the solution is child soldiers.
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you're welcome

Also it looks like it may have been a false alarm:
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Sports / Re: Winter Olympics 2018
Yeah, I saw some of the snowboarding. It was really cool. Except Shaun White seems like he's a mega asshole. I watched some of the snowboard cross, which I had never seen before, and man that event is crazy.

Also just watched Yuzuru Hanyu, and he was amazing:



That doesn't even show most of the Pooh bears people threw on the ice. They had a shot of a gigantic pile of them, and people were still throwing more.
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You know, I wonder what the reaction would be if someone shot up a doggy day care and killed a bunch of dogs.

I fucking bet you that a huge chunk of the "school shootings are the price we pay for FREEDOM" crowd would actually be angrier about it than they are about kids dying.
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The kids are alright:







https://www.newyorker.com/culture/on-television/the-powerful-calls-to-action-by-the-teen-age-survivors-of-the-parkland-school-shooting

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In its broad outlines, such TV interviews are routine in the aftermath of school shootings, which are themselves also routine. In the course of our gun-violence epidemic, a certain narrative grammar has emerged, and the accounts of eyewitnesses are an enraging staple of morning shows. But Hogg offered a media presence without exact precedent. A student journalist, he had interviewed his classmates on camera while they sheltered in an office as the crime unfolded. A telegenic talent, he was the most polished of many articulate witnesses to a slaughter, exemplifying a student response to school shootings that is rarely seen.

The students were speaking into cable-news microphones at a specific register. They are savvy in the way of kids educated in affluence--confidently entitled to their opinions and fluent in the language of influence. They are as camera-ready as any teen-agers raised on video chats, and they are Americans in an age when active citizenry demands a particular sort of vocal intensity.

With seventeen people dead on campus, Hogg's schoolmates have gone viral tweeting back at the President (among other unhelpful commenters) in appropriate tones of disgust and outrage. Scoffing at hot air about thoughts and prayers, the very people being thought of and prayed for were righteously determined to force the story of their classmates' massacre into a dialogue about gun violence. This energy carried over to television, where, for instance, a sophomore named Isabella Gomez disputed President Trump on MSNBC. Gomez's message was partly a matter of what she said--"He really needs to take into consideration gun control"--and partly a matter of the calm indignation with which she said it. Such was the energy, too, that carried Hogg through the news day, from ABC's "Good Morning America" to MSNBC and onward. On CNN, he was asked, "Do you have a message for the lawmakers? Do you have a message for Congress? For the President?" He said, "My message to lawmakers in Congress is, Please, take action. Ideas are great. Ideas are wonderful." The reference to ideas was, in rhetorical terms, a generous concession, considering that the majority party has adopted idealessness as its guiding gun-control policy, as when helplessly lamenting the futility of gun laws, in the style of Florida's Senator Marco Rubio.

Hogg continued, "But what's more important is actual action, and pertinent action, that results in saving thousands of children's lives. Please, take action." He restated this idea, with his firm delivery contributing to the sense that he was offering a whole truth of moral testimony.

Hogg's call to action is, of course, eminently reasonable, but I will confess that my response to him and to his peers is not entirely rational. I can't be alone in hoping that the testimony of these young people galvanizes a movement that can stop a plague. I can't help but wonder if my hopes are just dreams fuelled by grief and impotent fear. And I can't be the only viewer who, humbled by the poise of the kids who survived the shooting, is moved yet more deeply for those who did not.

Anyway, there were a handful of campus cops out around on campus when they're normally not on patrol in the areas I'm in until after 5 pm. They were around all day. And all their presence did was serve as a reminder that they can't stop this kind of thing from happening.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: The Peter Theil thread
One step closer to living out on a barge in the ocean so I'm hoping he will fuck all the way off by 2020 and leave the rest of humanity behind and die alone and miserable.

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12 years is not far off from what it takes to go from visa to permanent residency to citizenship. There's a minimum 5 year waiting period with permanent residency before you're eligible to apply for naturalization.

We got here in 1992. My parents didn't get their citizenship until after 2004. I got mine in 2008.
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I mean, what facts are we waiting for here? That it really was a gun?

The facts we're waiting for are the data the CDC isn't allowed to collect and analyze.
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Quote from: Pavlovs Dog link=msg=159383
What happens in this video?  Because I am not going to watch it.

The students are being led out of the room. A cop is carrying one kid, and as they head out, you can see a boy dead on the ground by the pool of blood. They're all crying. As they head out into the hallway, the cops tell them to stay close to the wall, and you can see at least one more dead person in the hallway.

A lot of these kids are taking to Twitter to speak their minds, and as painful as that is, I'm glad they're talking forcefully about this.

I thought I was kind of numb from overexposure to these massive shootings, but this one has really fucking cut deep. It almost feels like Columbine again.

Eta goddamn what a crosspost combo, sorry I'm so slow at typing on my phone
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This is graphic and very upsetting :



People need to be confronted with this shit on loop every fucking day until they get it. No more sanitizing. Go to fucking town halls with a tablet and play these videos so these piece of shit politicians can see the blood and dead bodies of kids and hear the crying and have it haunt their fucking dreams for eternity.
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Sports / Re: Winter Olympics 2018
Basically, if they make it look like it's super easy for them without it being simple enough to be boring, then they're probably doing quite well.

Kind of half-watching the women's giant slalom right now. I don't understand how people can do this kind of sport and not die but I guess in places like Norway, it's just what you do when you need to go to the store and pick up some bread and pickled herring.
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Sports / Re: Winter Olympics 2018
Yes, and halfway through their program after they did some difficult things, Duhamel had a huge smile on her face and looked like she was enjoying the hell out of herself. They were also super mega Canadian. <3 When the Germans officially won, she hugged both of them and was saying nice things to Savchenko.

I don't know if you got to see the Germans, but they were flawless. It was pretty cool. And her reactions afterward were priceless. Calm and collected up until it was official, and then it was pure joy and lots of crying. Amazing to see someone go through five Olympics and finally win.



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I mostly enjoyed watching the Germans waiting for the results

lol I think he was mostly on the verge of tears because if they didn't win, she would probably murder him on live TV for having missed that triple jump in the other program and having done a double instead.
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for first graders they have to be able to recognize when the shooter has a suicide vest so they know when *not* to charge

Until they get to around 5th grade, when they're old enough that you can teach them to shoot the suicide vest on purpose.
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Sports / Re: Winter Olympics 2018
Ok, guys, who's watching?

Currently rooting for the Canadians in pair skating. :cheer:
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By age five, your child should have reached the following essential developmental milestones:
  • knowing the names of basic shapes and colors
  • being comfortable after being separated from you for several hours, in a safe and comfortable environment
  • knowing how to recognize and charge an active shooter

Kindergarten curriculum:
- introduction to the alphabet
- introduction to numbers 1 to 100
- coloring and development of fine motor skills
- categorization of items by shape, color, size, function
- child soldiering 101: disarming attacker with a knife, charging active shooter
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even with the shoving the man on the train track scenario it's not throwing yourself on the damn track

Also lol at a Serious Libertarian Thinker arguing we need to teach young people how to potentially give up their lives for the collective good.

But, seriously, though, even if you were dumb enough to think that a bunch of teenagers or kids or whoevers rushing every shooter is the solution, thinking about how you get to that solution should really be enough to snap you out of your goddamn stupidity.
That article was written in response to Sandy Hook, so it was advice for fucking kindergartners. Libertarianism is the result of severe sociopathy.

I know. It's a complete and utter what the fucking fuck is wrong with your brain kind of piece. But even when I try to give her as much benefit of the doubt as I can, it is bafflingly absurd and stupid and fucking nuts. Yet this is the kind of intellect that gets you a spot on the editorial board of the fucking Washington Post.
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I read this before, and sadly it won't cease to be relevant: http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/gun-violence/

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The first thing Dr. Amy Goldberg told me is that this article would be pointless. She said this on a phone call last summer, well before the election, before a tangible sensation that facts were futile became a broader American phenomenon. I was interested in Goldberg because she has spent 30 years as a trauma surgeon, almost all of that at the same hospital, Temple University Hospital in North Philadelphia, which treats more gunshot victims than any other in the state and is located in what was, according to one analysis, the deadliest of the 10 largest cities in the country until last year, with a homicide rate of 17.8 murders per 100,000 residents in 2015.

Over my years of reporting here, I had heard stories about Temple's trauma team. A city prosecutor who handled shooting investigations once told me that the surgeons were able to piece people back together after the most horrific acts of violence. People went into the hospital damaged beyond belief and came walking out.

That stuck with me. I wondered what surgeons know about gun violence that the rest of us don't. We are inundated with news about shootings. Fourteen dead in San Bernardino, six in Michigan, 11 over one weekend in Chicago. We get names, places, anguished Facebook posts, wonky articles full of statistics on crime rates and risk, Twitter arguments about the Second Amendment--everything except the blood, the pictures of bodies torn by bullets. That part is concealed, sanitized. More than 30,000 people die of gunshot wounds each year in America, around 75,000 more are injured, and we have no visceral sense of what physically happens inside a person when he's shot. Goldberg does.
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even with the shoving the man on the train track scenario it's not throwing yourself on the damn track

Also lol at a Serious Libertarian Thinker arguing we need to teach young people how to potentially give up their lives for the collective good.

But, seriously, though, even if you were dumb enough to think that a bunch of teenagers or kids or whoevers rushing every shooter is the solution, thinking about how you get to that solution should really be enough to snap you out of your goddamn stupidity.
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I've read that before, and it still baffles me. Like what kind of shallow, moronic thinker do you have to be to think it's a good idea to teach kids and young people to rush at a shooter?

How do you not sit and think about the kind of teaching and training it would require to successfully teach children to do this and then recoil in horror at the idea?
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