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Pingu, if you want to suck less at science I suggest you find out about the following concept:

HONESTY
This is ironic.  Remember when you claimed that the reality based community was running from your 100 proofs of a young earth?
So a thread was posted for you to make your case in, and you fled?

Also, a recurrent strategy of Dave's, when out of arguments, is to accuse others of being liars. Not even once once has Dave pointed to and proved a lie from the accused person, despite sometimes being repeatedly challenged to explain what the alleged lie was.
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Here's the answer... [drum roll] ... she was

EATING!!!

Probably enjoying being able to explore and choose food herself after starving in jail.
Why have you become such a blatant liar?  No one who remotely knows anything about goats would say my goats are "starving" ... just the opposite actually.  They are very well fed.  And no meds.  SO well fed in fact that they produce just as much milk on THIS diet as I was told that they produce on their previous farm with their previous owner (large single pasture, grain at milking time, meds periodically)

What is wrong with you?  Why the irrational behaviour?  I'm fascinated to watch well educated people act like scumbags.


Please explain where I lied or behaved irrationally. Or don't you understand the implications of "probably"?
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Citation for what? Be specific.
Try for example
They have been hunter gatherers for millennia.
a pastoral lifestyle is even easier than a hunter gatherer lifestyle.
Which in turn is a lot easier than an agricultural (tillage) lifestyle.
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Here's the answer... [drum roll] ... she was

EATING!!!

Probably enjoying being able to explore and choose food herself after starving in jail.
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Are there no laws on animal welfare in the US? For example, Finnish law says that if goats are kept in a pen, the pen should be at least 35 square metres. Or is this yet another case of Dave's two-legged supremacy trumping the amassed knowledge of legislators and their experts?
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This is a science forum, so let's be accurate shall we? 
...
In short, you're an idiot.
:unsure:     Are you sure you're being scientifically accurate there, dave?
I think it's at least bordering to be scientifically accurate to note that Dave breaking out in unfounded abuse is a good sign that a preceding post made some thoughtful points leading to questions that Dave can't answer.
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4 acres per person of Missouri type land is plenty to not only survive but have a great surplus. (At least I think ... I haven't actually proved that yet, but my own early results indicate that it is)

How much of the world's area is of "Missouri type"? How many people would that fraction support, and what will the rest of the earth's population do, and where?
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For the guests that just joined us:
I'll let the guests make of that what they will.
Just lost a lengthy reply. Anyway, I don't need more than Socrates' self quoting and refusal to discuss opposite views on a discussion board to be convinced that Real (TM) Dr. Faid and others are more credible.
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There is agreement on the proposition that any post containing nested self-quotes* is worthy only of ridicule.

* let alone one nested 10 fucking levels  deep.

As has been pointed out numerous times, that those nests on a discussion forum don't engage in discussions is also telling.
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Is there a psychiatric diagnosis number for people who endlessly quote themselves or other resources and refuse to engage in discussions, like soc1 and  Pahu? Even Dave sometimes reacts to rebuttals.
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I forgot peas.

Thanks. I was going to ask you to give peas a chance - you had three examples from the gourd family and two beans, but left peas out.
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Long ago, Dave's solution to world famine etc. was to get some land to cultivate. From somebody unspecified who would just love to give their assets away. I never really understood where to find such donors.

Now it seems to me that this idea is resurrected. From somewhere, land is given to everybody, including instructions on how to grow their food. For a moment leaving the question of how much area, worldwide, would (or could) be donated, what about people who don't want to grow things but would prefer to for example make tools for those who enjoy cultivating? Is Dear Leader Dave going to force them to grow grass for grazers and trees for browsers? Will they even be permitted to grow vegetables?

Back to acquisition. What is the global amount of territory suitable for Dave's schemes? A question put many times but that Dave has carefully avoided to answer. Area above the tree line, bare cliffs, deserts (in their current state, without cows), and similar. How much would that yield per person? Probably less than on what Dave today can't even support one person. Will Dave's calculations account for the population increase in e.g. Africa, which some serious people seem to guess will make Nigeria the world's third most populous nation in not too many years?
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Quote
You are witnessing the single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history - led by some very bad and conflicted people! #MAGA

So, if Trump thinks there's a witch hunt, sorry WITCH HUNT, doesn't that mean that he admits to being a WITCH?
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Hence the term cryptorchid.
And here I always thought that was part of a floral bouquet left at a mausoleum!

In a way. 'Orchids' because of the shape of their roots.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Also, "I'll tell you about the tapes sometime in the future". Perhaps we will be hearing about those tapes right after the press conference discussing all the "bombshell things" his investigators uncovered  in Hawaii about Obama a couple of years back.
... and right after he releases those tax returns, like he has repeatedly promised to do.
There's a linguistic discussion at Languagelog, named "On the short periods of Trumpian time".

It concludes,
Quote from: Languagelog
So it seems that Trump developed the stylistic tic of saying "over the last/past short period of time," and then extended that into "over the next short period of time" for promises that he says will be fulfilled soon -- really, really soon. But when he was answering Jon Karl's question, he left out the next part, instead opting for "over a very/fairly short period of time." Phrased that way, it sounds like Trump will pick some extremely brief window of time -- say, between 1 and 1:03 p.m. on Wednesday -- to make his big reveal. Given Trump's seat-of-the-pants mode of governing, that doesn't seem so odd after all.

A commenter writes,
Quote from:  Graeme
He intends "Soon, but in my own good time."
But it comes out as "Dunno. Making it up as I go. "
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Pretty much summarizes Dave:

I don't know much ... but I'm pretty sure
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Seems pretty deep to me when you consider that implementing this system take your dirt from some pitiful SOM number up to something respectable like 7-10% over several years.  You DO understand the importance of SOM don't you?
Somewhere in the middle of that dubious equation, Dave, is a profound loss of biological diversity. Many plants thrive on 'poor' soil and die out in 'rich' soil. Or like acid soil or prefer alkaline soil. Or like fast-draining soil or prefer moist soil. You are fixated on grass and livestock. Fine for you, not necessarily fine for the planet.
No it's not.  Just the opposite.  Properly managing cattle INCREASES biological diversity.

Who has determined that, measuring what criteria?
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Dave's good at exaggeration. I've seen old pastures full of such things as lambkill, which, knowing Dave, he'd end up encouraging lambs to eat.

But he's working with nature, so the lambkill would miraculously not harm them, Or something.
How does one "encourage" lambs to eat a specific type of plant in one's pasture?  Park their pen on top of it and leave it there?  Cut and carry it and serve it up with some nice salad dressing?  Or what?  You people really don't think about the things you post, do you?

I'd call it encouragement if you make them hungry and move their prison over pasture of nothing else but lambkill.
You really don't think about the things you post, do you?
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They are about 40 years late.  There was a huge study done already.  Diet is 100% connected to cancer (and a lot of other disease)

There's obviously  a connection. 100% of cancer patients have been eating. You're welcome to be more specific.
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No need to be "fair to Dave" ... he's one of THOSE people ...

Tell me again Superhoop, Voxrat, Lizzie and the rest of you people that are posting anything BUT constructive comments ...

What is YOUR interest in Sustainable Agriculture? In other words, why are you here? And not in some other thread or forum where you have an actual interest in advancing science in some way?
Dave, you might have noticed from my questions to you on for example what is needed to what price to start growing things your way, that I'm interested in producing sufficiently healthy foodstuffs in a smart way. I follow this thread, because there are so many people posting who know farming and nutrition and generally how Nature works and should be treated, and I feel that I learn quite a lot from their responses to your fantasies.
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The Voyage of the Beagle is also seriously good. I definitely recommend it if you haven't read it.

Humboldt was also supposed to be an excellent author but I've not read anything of his.

Interesting guys, the von Humboldt brothers. You refer to Alexander, I'm more acquainted with Wilhelm's work on comparative philology.
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Dave, if I've understood you correctly, you think that the number 3 in the quoted version of a Hindu creation myth supports your three sons etc. theory. Please enlighten me:

Do you mean that the three Hindu gods are equivalent to Noah's son? Or do you mean that the sole flood survivor Manu is equivalent to Noah's family?

Where in the myth does it even say that three distinct races and language families emerged?
Mosaic version ... Adam / Cain / Abel / Seth in the beginning ... Noah / Shem / Ham Japheth after the Flood. 

Hindu version ... Brahm / Brahma / Vishnu / Siva in the beginning ... Menu and his three sons after the Flood.

Why do I think these two accounts are referring to the same thing?  Because all authors I've read state this ... Jones is the most recent one I've read that states this ... p. 7, Vol 1
I see the parallelism. Obviously, Cain was born from Abel's navel, right? And the brothers were gods, and Adam is the ultimate metaphysical reality and cosmic soul. But how is one flood survivor anything like a complete family surviving?
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Dave, if I've understood you correctly, you think that the number 3 in the quoted version of a Hindu creation myth supports your three sons etc. theory. Please enlighten me:

Do you mean that the three Hindu gods are equivalent to Noah's son? Or do you mean that the sole flood survivor Manu is equivalent to Noah's family?

Where in the myth does it even say that three distinct races and language families emerged?
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FFS. That's the most twisted, garbled and absurd piece of mythoplastic nonsense I've read, and I've read lots.

Where do you find this crap, dave?
Crap, but illustrative of how myths influence each other. This of course suggests that they are all made up without too much connection with reality.