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Messages - Pavlovs Dog

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I'm playing Divinity: Original Sin with my good buddy Damian
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I'm about ready for millennials to move on to killing the republican party for good.
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What a strange coincidence that the old man that doesn't get Facebook also repeatedly fails to find the same thread on a message board
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Politics and Current Events / Re: taxageddon is GO
How do you know it was "because of the taxes?"
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It is possible to be both the best pope and still in need of some improvement.  
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Never stop el guapo from making bold unpopular projections.
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Nikki Haley vetoing new sanctions on Russia reminded me that the piss tape is real.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Removing Assad
What the shit is that even
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I question the value your posts have

This is the correct response to the post above it.
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what the fuck



https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/target-white-supremacist-diapers

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A handful of people around the United States, including in Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Washington, DC, and Tennessee, discovered the white, laminated cards printed with the slogan "IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE" after opening boxes of diapers they'd ordered from Target.

On the back, the cards listed a series of white supremacist websites, including bloodandsoil.org, Fash the Nation, and the Daily Stormer.




not really sure about all of this, but it makes some interesting points

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When American technocrats saw Trump supporters in 2016 wearing T-shirts that said "Fuck Your Feelings," they couldn't help but feel a pang of sympathy. After all, they're trained to privilege empirical evidence over emotion. But what the technocrats didn't understand was that the operative word on the T-shirts wasn't "feelings," but "your."

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Williamson could be hired by The Atlantic precisely because he is not a movement conservative: He's one of America's few remaining right-wing writers who appears to accept Enlightenment methods as legitimate. For instance, he is willing, kind of, to acknowledge that global warming and evolution are real. When he attacked Barack Obama, he did so by making claims that were within shouting distance of reality (and then wildly hyping them) rather than proclaiming Obama was a secret Sharia Muslim.

The Atlantic's editor, Jeffrey Goldberg, explained that Williamson was conservative, but hadn't actually meant his words about abortion. So he was great for The Atlantic, which, Goldberg said, he wants to be a "big tent for ideas and argument."

This, of course, was a transparent sham; when editors talk like this, 98 percent of the time, it's about expanding the tent to the right but not the left. You'll wait a long time before Goldberg hires someone who rationally looks at the empirical evidence and calls Bibi Netanyahu a war criminal. But people like Goldberg imagine themselves to be committed to Enlightenment ideals of open debate and get off on mouthing the rhetoric.

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In particular, the right will never give up because they understand the most shocking and significant part of this whole dumb story: It actually matters who writes for The Atlantic.

As stated 1,500 words ago, few regular humans will care about which particular ink-stained wretches are hired to opine by the elite U.S. media -- let's say The Atlantic, the New Yorker, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal. But they should.

That's because the people who truly own and operate the United States -- from right-wing billionaires all the way over to centrist billionaires -- don't have time to consider politics in any depth. They're too busy bribing state officials to hire their hedge fund or straightening out supply chain issues in Kuala Lumpur. Instead, they outsource their thinking, just like they outsource their janitorial services.

Human beings all do this. We just can't, even with the best of intentions, examine more than one or two issues in any depth. Instead, we look to our peer group for signals about what makes sense -- and the superrich consider elite publications their peers.

For instance, the invasion of Iraq could never have happened without the noisy enthusiasm of elite publications. Without them, too many powerful people would have asked the Bush administration why we needed to engage in such an obviously catastrophic endeavor. But with Thomas Friedman and Fred Hiatt explaining that the war made perfect sense, they went along happily. Then hundreds of thousands of people died.


not really sure about all of this, but it makes some interesting points

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When American technocrats saw Trump supporters in 2016 wearing T-shirts that said "Fuck Your Feelings," they couldn't help but feel a pang of sympathy. After all, they're trained to privilege empirical evidence over emotion. But what the technocrats didn't understand was that the operative word on the T-shirts wasn't "feelings," but "your."

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Williamson could be hired by The Atlantic precisely because he is not a movement conservative: He's one of America's few remaining right-wing writers who appears to accept Enlightenment methods as legitimate. For instance, he is willing, kind of, to acknowledge that global warming and evolution are real. When he attacked Barack Obama, he did so by making claims that were within shouting distance of reality (and then wildly hyping them) rather than proclaiming Obama was a secret Sharia Muslim.

The Atlantic's editor, Jeffrey Goldberg, explained that Williamson was conservative, but hadn't actually meant his words about abortion. So he was great for The Atlantic, which, Goldberg said, he wants to be a "big tent for ideas and argument."

This, of course, was a transparent sham; when editors talk like this, 98 percent of the time, it's about expanding the tent to the right but not the left. You'll wait a long time before Goldberg hires someone who rationally looks at the empirical evidence and calls Bibi Netanyahu a war criminal. But people like Goldberg imagine themselves to be committed to Enlightenment ideals of open debate and get off on mouthing the rhetoric.

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In particular, the right will never give up because they understand the most shocking and significant part of this whole dumb story: It actually matters who writes for The Atlantic.

As stated 1,500 words ago, few regular humans will care about which particular ink-stained wretches are hired to opine by the elite U.S. media -- let's say The Atlantic, the New Yorker, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal. But they should.

That's because the people who truly own and operate the United States -- from right-wing billionaires all the way over to centrist billionaires -- don't have time to consider politics in any depth. They're too busy bribing state officials to hire their hedge fund or straightening out supply chain issues in Kuala Lumpur. Instead, they outsource their thinking, just like they outsource their janitorial services.

Human beings all do this. We just can't, even with the best of intentions, examine more than one or two issues in any depth. Instead, we look to our peer group for signals about what makes sense -- and the superrich consider elite publications their peers.

For instance, the invasion of Iraq could never have happened without the noisy enthusiasm of elite publications. Without them, too many powerful people would have asked the Bush administration why we needed to engage in such an obviously catastrophic endeavor. But with Thomas Friedman and Fred Hiatt explaining that the war made perfect sense, they went along happily. Then hundreds of thousands of people died.

And also, that is why it is easy to paint the mainstream left as the radical left.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Removing Assad
Glenn Greenwald is really fucking stupid



I proudly called Glenn Greenwald a giant moron long before it was cool, like some sort of left wing political hipster.
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"We as a nation gladly send billions to Puerto Rico while our own are being poisoned" is pretty fucking stupid.
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I was simply collateral damage.
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Right.  and when you venn diagram that "classical liberal" with your typical moderate Democrat "liberal," it is almost a single circle.
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That Corey Robin article you posted on Facebook the other day just reinforced my feeling that "neo-liberal" is basically just "conservative."  Or more accurately, a centrist or moderate Democrat that isn't much different from a centrist or moderate Republican.  I know philosophically it is not entirely accurate but in practice that is basically what it looks like.

Eta that is kind of an off topic digression but it's kind of tangential.
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Here is the original one I was thinking of.  It predates the slate article though:

http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?p=2570958#post2570958
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I did not think this is *the* thread, but I think it refers to it.

http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?p=2570958#post2570958
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The tr thread discussing that 2014 article was pretty epic.

If you're talking about the article I mentioned, this is it: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/did-hubert-humphrey-doom-the-democratic-party/557282/

It was published online yesterday.

I am not.  I am talking about one from several years ago.  It may not have been the 2014 slate article but it was in that time frame I think.