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What on earth is a cecetrope? 
Another stunning success for Hawkinzing. 'Scanning for nuggets' isn't terribly efficient if you actually want to learn something. For reinforcing cherished beliefs, it works fine, but I'm pretty sure it's making you stupider.

By the way, have you ever read a book, or anything for that matter (magazine, newspaper, etc), just for fun? Not to see what nuggets might lurk to bolster flimsily held convictions. Just for fun. Ever done it? Do you remember anything from the experience?
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As for this thread, I want to talk about heat again as winter is approaching and I want to do a better job of generating heat efficiently this winter.

  Summer time cooling has turned out to be surprisingly easy with my solar panel set up. But I don't think solar will be very practical for wintertime heat,  at least not the way my house is built and situated, which I'm not at this point willing to change.

 Obviously one improvement I can make is  elimination of air leakage  which was pretty poor last winter.   But an additional part of the equation obviously is "efficient heat generation" and that's what I want to focus on for the moment.

Render your walls.  Use actual windows instead of plastic film.  Use an actual door instead of blankets. 

Stop congratulating yourself on your cheapness of construction and show some actual heat loss prevention through proven techniques.
Are you insane? The mainstream "proven techniques" are nearly always wrong.

And decent windows are only for gullible rubes.
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I hate to admit that in my capacity as automation specialist / engineer, I've probably put dozens of people out of work. Mind you it was pretty soul-destroying mindless tedium, so there's that...
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All of us here enjoy woo. For me it's talking snakes and such. For you it's stuff like RM + NS created the biosphere.
After all this time you still don't realise how stupid you sound when you say things like this.
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It's interesting to note that he used this particularly nasty bullying technique on kids that were new to the school, the most vulnerable kids he had access to.
  Dave knew where he fell on the popularity spectrum, and chose his victims to be the weakest, least socially connected kids in that ecosystem, the least likely to fight back or defend themselves.  The obvious pride he shows in relating this story of victimization speaks volumes. 

I wonder these folks would react today if they knew that Dave lived in a tarp covered hovel?  I suppose there might be a discussion about Karma.

If they're anything like most adults, they wouldn't bother with any such discussion, because it happened in school, when all of them, including dave, were stupid teenagers. People change. It's rare that your high school personality and habits of communication correlate highly with your adult self. Most of us don't hold grudges that long that we'd feel satisfaction about the supposed downfall of a high school asshole.

The weirdest thing about Dave's anecdote is that he chooses to tell it as an adult himself.

Lol

Honestly, Dave, responding to zombies with a 'lol' is, I dunno, makes me cringe for you. Bad enough you tell that stupid teenage brat story; it places you and your 'friends' in a really bad light, as sneering bullies. Not surprisingly, you get a negative reaction from other people. One would hope as an adult you're well past that kind of unpleasant behaviour, so why on earth do you even tell it, other than as a "look, I was an asshole as a teenager, I'm much nicer now" morality tale?
That joke was common when I was a kid too.
As I recall, the reason I relayed that story here is not because I have some weird psychological issues as borealis would like to believe, but rather  I was illustrating "peer pressure."  Peer pressure is very powerful.  It causes junior high kids to laugh at jokes they don't understand just to be "in." And - I have discovered --  It causes grown-up adults with advanced science degrees to pile on to a criticism they don't understand. 

Just to be "in."
Who do you think doesn't understand something, Dave?
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Yes, vindicated. 

Many breeds are the result of mutations.

And yes, I won the Portuguese debate too.
Dave,
This is about as accurate as stating that "The Moon is made of green cheese".

Yes, there IS a MOON.
Yes, cheese exists.
Yes, the color green is apparent to many but the color blind.

But the combination of these facts does NOT create yet another fact.
In a sense he did 'win' the Portuguese debate. He came damn close to discovering common descent.
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Ok Dave, this is your post that started off this round in this thread:

That's what you spent days arguing. Your argument at the time was that since we describe measurements by using our base 10 numerical system, that means the feet/inches system is base 10. You were adamant that the feet/inches system couldn't be base 12, and that people who were telling you it was base 12 were idiots.

It was fucking hilarious. Some of your greatest tard ever.

*waits for vehement denial that he ever said any such thing*
Ah now I remember.  It IS Base 10. Ever heard of 1A inches? Or 2B feet? THAT would be Base 12.
In this post, you appear to be saying that the feet/inches system is base 10. There is no other way of reading your post.

And this is your old post from the archives:

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OK, then. So .. never mind what I said about the Elizabethan Inch being CLOSE to the hypothetical pyramid inch. It's Identical !!!! Works for me. So it's more remarkable than I thought!!

And the metric system uses base ten. Yes. Doesn't the inch system also use base ten? And the cubit system as well? I thought you had to start talking computers before you left the base ten world. Heh. What do I know? So if the inch system uses some other base like base 12, then we do we count 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-A-B ? Look mom, my foot is B inches long!

21C happens to be the exact temp that gives the perfect hypothetical inch with the water cube system - 1.00106 IIRC.
Again, you are saying the feet/inches system is base 10, and you also want cubits and metric to be base 10.

In all these cases, your claim is that since we usually use a base 10 number system to do our mathematics, that means the measurement systems are also base 10.

IOW, you are the one getting number system base mixed up with measurement system base.

ETA: And this is not semantics. It's a fundamental point of mathematics.
Respone?

And once a year or so, Os will link to this thread and declare what an idiot I was for my view.

This is now boring.

Next?
It is quite clear, Dave, that it was you who was getting confused between the numerical system and the base of the units for feet and inches. It's great that you are more clear about it now, but why is it so hard to admit that you were confused? All the evidence is right here in this post. Can you really not see it?
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And how about those nested hierarchies? Hoo boy. Any bets on when he decides to chime back in on that it's be something along the lines of "I always understood NH, and schooled you people on it, but you are all too blinded by evilooshun to see it"?
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Also, he literally cannot see the difference between "20 people are picking on me because I'm a YEC" and "20 people are ridiculing me because I cant defend the asinine things I keep saying".
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Also it's fun in an odd sort of way to watch grown adults with advanced science degrees say remarkably stupid things.
And yet, strangely, you never seem to be able to specifically explain what it is that you find "remarkably stupid".
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I've understood perfectly what this retard Osmanthus has been trying to say all along. 
Right. Just like you understand nested hierarchies, hey Dave?
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That's what you spent days arguing. Your argument at the time was that since we describe measurements by using our base 10 numerical system, that means the feet/inches system is base 10. You were adamant that the feet/inches system couldn't be base 12, and that people who were telling you it was base 12 were idiots.

It was fucking hilarious. Some of your greatest tard ever.

*waits for vehement denial that he ever said any such thing*
Ah now I remember.  It IS Base 10. Ever heard of 1A inches? Or 2B feet? THAT would be Base 12.


o goody. A double serving of tard.
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Hey remember this gem? http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?t=64873 :parrot:
O shit. I almost wet myself.
Quote from:  Dave Hawkins
Quote from:  Pingu

Sorry... I was moving fast and thought this was WorldNetDaily.
What you don't understand, Dave, is that what makes it massively implausible, whatever the source, isn't that scientists are saints, but that the incentives all work in the opposite direction.

The big incentives in science are in overturning stuff. If something like this really was kept secret by one lot of scientists (which is massively unlikely to start with, given the potential for fame), the incentive for someone else to blow the gaff is huge.

There are no prizes in science for supporting the status quo. Exactly the reverse.
Quote from:  Dave Hawkins
I don't buy this.
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This is fast shaping up to be a repository of Dopey's greatest hits. Keep them coming.
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Quote from: Ursula Le Guin
"It is our suffering that brings us together. It is not love. Love does not obey the mind, and turns to hate when forced. The bond that binds us is beyond choice. We are brothers. We are brothers in what we share. In pain, which each of us must suffer alone, in hunger, in poverty, in hope, we know our brotherhood. We know it, because we have had to learn it. We know that there is no help for us but from one another, that no hand will save us if we do not reach out our hand. And the hand that you reach out is empty, as mine is. You have nothing. You possess nothing. You own nothing. You are free. All you have is what you are, and what you give."
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Has nobody here ever read Ursula Le Guin's 'The Dispossessed' ?
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Here's another article that actually supports Dave to some degree:

Soil holds potential to slow global warming, Stanford researchers find

I think Dave's goals are noble and even some of his ideas may have some merit, but his approach is so deranged and unnecessarily flawed that it turns the whole operation into a source of mockery instead of the potentially beneficial vehicle for developing better agricultural practices it could be.

The term "unforced error" keeps coming to mind.
Yeah it's deranged and unnecessarily flawed to have a system that actually keeps goats where they are supposed to be, rather than having them escape all the time eating clothes off the line and such. All those stories are true. I hear them from my neighbors.

And it's deranged and  unnecessarily flawed to have a system that gives goats fresh choice forage all day long making them so healthy that they do not need any medications of any kind.   Oh... AND they produce lots of milk with no grain.  Don't forget that part.

And it's deranged and unnecessarily flawed to have a rabbit system  attached to the same unit  which requires no commercial feed whatsoever and almost no labor.

Last but not least, it's deranged and unnecessarily flawed to add chickens to the same system so that all your animals are in one place and you get three kinds of manure spread  onto your pasture instead of just one or two.

Deranged and unnecessarily flawed.

Right.

 Oh wait one more thing.  Every hay farmer in my area knows that pruning (cutting hay) and fertilizing the field encourages the productivity of the field.  They purchase commercial fertilizer and spend God knows how much in money and energy producing it and spreading it.  Then they spend more money time and energy cutting harvesting storing and feeding the hay to their animals.

 My system does all of these things automatically with no money or time or energy at all.

 Deranged and unnecessarily flawed.

Hahaha
Grandiose claims of saving the world by dragging 2 goats, freezing piglets, escaping bunnies, and starving chickens in a cage around 10 acres. How much land is required to feed the world with your system, Dave?

Recording data that backs up any claims you might have made about increasing biodiversity or SOM? Heresy!
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Quote from: Faid
Wow.

"Vindicated"?

More like busted.

Dave, do you remember what the whole baboon dog story was about? Do you remember WHY we started looking for information about them in the first place?

Do you remember what the AiG article said about them? about, hint hint, the males dying before reaching sexual maturity?

No wonder why they never responded to you, dave. What could they say? "You know, it's not an actual breed, it's a genetic disorder, when we presented it as evidence that all different breeds of dogs are "degenerate mutants" we were lying through our teeth"?

Are you finally starting to get it, dave?
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Nobody cares about the theory. They just want to see the results of the testing.
Fine. Then they can read the reports of others. ( actual ranchers, not octohatters ) Or they can wait several years for mine.
Is this a variation on the 2nd?

Afdave's Second Law: One may escape intellectual responsibility on any issue merely by stating an intent to pursue it.

Sorry to tell you that you've already missed the boat on establishing a baseline to compare with. Doofus.
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Here's another article that actually supports Dave to some degree:

Soil holds potential to slow global warming, Stanford researchers find

I think Dave's goals are noble and even some of his ideas may have some merit, but his approach is so deranged and unnecessarily flawed that it turns the whole operation into a source of mockery instead of the potentially beneficial vehicle for developing better agricultural practices it could be.

The term "unforced error" keeps coming to mind.
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OK here's a though experiment. Imagine you have 4 goats and 30 acres.

Put 2 goats in goatchwitz and drag it around 10 acres.

Put 2 goats in a fenced off 10 acres, free to roam as they choose.

Leave 10 acres fallow.

What is the end result on SOM, general soil health, and biodiversity at end of 10 years? Which plot will be most improved? Will there be a significant difference?

1) measure SOM every 3 months at 10 locations, at least 3" below the solid soil surface.
2) measure goat health (variety of measurements)
3) measure goat milk production
4) catalog biodiversity of plots
5) (more, there's always more data you can get)
It's not just that he's unwilling or unable to gather any appropriate data, he actively ridicules any suggestion that it might be worthwhile. It's quite astonishing.
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OK here's a though experiment. Imagine you have 4 goats and 30 acres.

Put 2 goats in goatchwitz and drag it around 10 acres.

Put 2 goats in a fenced off 10 acres, free to roam as they choose.

Leave 10 acres fallow.

What is the end result on SOM, general soil health, and biodiversity at end of 10 years? Which plot will be most improved? Will there be a significant difference?
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New article:

Vast animal-feed crops to satisfy our meat needs are destroying planet
Very good. I'm glad you are finally coming to understand what I've known about since about 2008 or so.  I'm also doing something about it.  Are you? Probably not.  And yet you have the gall to criticize me here almost every day.  I think it would suck to be you. 
Dave,

Can you explain to me how getting rid of all livestock would be worse for the environment than what you are doing?
convince me why I should spend the time explaining it to you.
Ok fine. Fuck you too. And get back to us when you can show with data before-and-after comparisons on how your land has improved, with soil analyses, milk analyses, and biodiversity species counts. From your control patch also.

My hunch is that dragging 2 goats, starving chickens, escaping bunnies, and freezing piglets around 10 acres will have minimal impact on the SOM and biodiversity, compared with doing absolutely nothing. Prove me wrong.
Haha.  As I thought. You're not interested in having anything explained to you.  You think you already know the answer and you just want to come here and cause trouble.  What a fraud.
Well you are doing a pretty shit job of convincing anyone of the validity of your 'system', given that you ridicule any suggestion to record any replicable data. I'd be deeply concerned about the critical thinking ability of anyone who is convinced by your substance-free "my biodiversity is the best, trust me" approach.
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New article:

Vast animal-feed crops to satisfy our meat needs are destroying planet
Very good. I'm glad you are finally coming to understand what I've known about since about 2008 or so.  I'm also doing something about it.  Are you? Probably not.  And yet you have the gall to criticize me here almost every day.  I think it would suck to be you. 
Dave,

Can you explain to me how getting rid of all livestock would be worse for the environment than what you are doing?
convince me why I should spend the time explaining it to you.
Ok fine. Fuck you too. And get back to us when you can show with data before-and-after comparisons on how your land has improved, with soil analyses, milk analyses, and biodiversity species counts. From your control patch also.

My hunch is that dragging 2 goats, starving chickens, escaping bunnies, and freezing piglets around 10 acres will have minimal impact on the SOM and biodiversity, compared with doing absolutely nothing. Prove me wrong.
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New article:

Vast animal-feed crops to satisfy our meat needs are destroying planet
Very good. I'm glad you are finally coming to understand what I've known about since about 2008 or so.  I'm also doing something about it.  Are you? Probably not.  And yet you have the gall to criticize me here almost every day.  I think it would suck to be you. 
Dave,

Can you explain to me how getting rid of all livestock would be worse for the environment than what you are doing?