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Messages - fredbear

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Absolute 100% truth is an ideal that we should strive for. Obviously no one can achieve it perfectly. But certainly all of us could do better. And no it doesn't just belong in religion. It belongs everywhere. That's part of the problem with people these days I think is they say oh yeah that's for those other people but not for me.
So instead of the 100% truth ideal, you've decided to go with the 100% bullshit CTH RWNJ option. Interesting choice.
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Of course Obama abused his power in several ways. So did Bush, so did Clinton, so will (and has) Trump.

That's not the same as "He specifically spied on his enemies, overriding a system of checks explicitly designed to prevent political interference, broke obvious laws in doing so, conscripted the entire federal apparatus to help him, and now the entire media is covering for him."

Which is what's required for your idea to make sense.
Right and there are quite a few people who believe this. So much so that there is a formal process investigating that very question.
Actually, none of them exactly abused their power except in that the exercise of political power is abuse of power. They get away with what they can get away with without running afoul of the checks and balances of the rest of the gov't. All the presidents since Johnson have expanded presidential powers but they've all done it roughly legally (which really only means compliant with legal procedural processes for establishing the procedures organizing their own administration when you are talking about the presidency since presidents can't really break the law the same way everyone else can). At the leadership level, the checks and balances need to be employed to work. Also, to some extent there is a use it or lose it quality to many of those checks and balances.

Anyway, the fact that there is a formal process should alleviate your fears somewhat. However, the fact that the sitting president is trying to blocvk that formal process seems like it would give you some pause. I get that it won't though.
How the heck is he blocking it? Mueller is doing his thing... the indictment today proves there was not Trump Russia collusion.

Explain your reasoning for this 'proof'.
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It would indeed be sickening if what was being parroted was not true. But how do you know it's not?
I don't. I have my biases like everyone. The trick is to determine which side has a better grip on reality. Hence my challenge.

Predict something concrete, Dave, based on your stupid RWNJ sources. Are you up for it? Or are you going to spinelessly ignore me yet again?
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So that's a concrete prediction? Within, say, 3 years, they will be in prison?

5?

20?
Yeah ... 3 years is probably about right.

OK, so from my perspective, this prediction is completely batshit insane.

The NSA spying on Americans was illegal, but Bush (under whose administration it started) never underwent any indictment, and was never prosecuted.
Worth mentioning again. The fact that these people think Obama and Hillary (for some reason) are going to jail because the FBI might not have given as much information as it should have about its sources when applying for a FISA warrant is just so far removed from reality I can't even imagine how one gets there.
Well of course there's much more to it than that. Our hypothesis is that Obama himself along with Hillary conspired to throw a presidential election.


Our?

Our hypothesis?

Laughable.
Yes and no. The really sad thing is that Dave is just parroting CTH and other RWNJ sites. That there exists a market for this drivel is the really sickening aspect of this whole thing IMHO.
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If the stuff they say ends up being true then I'll know they are good sites. If the stuff they say ends up being false, then I will know they are bad sites. Not rocket science here.
Get specific. What's something they've said that might be false? How will you know if it is?
These kinds of questions are invisible to Dave when he's in his 'squirrel' mode. He's already said that he'll change his views if the sites are shown to be false. What more do you want? Sheesh.

Just don't try to pin him down on any specifics, because he already knows the sites are bullshit. He avoids the specifics so he can return to the 'crack pipe' guilt free. It's why he wont acknowledge my challenge, since it means throwing away the crack pipe if he does.

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Here's one reason - of many - that CTH seems (I said "seems") reliable to me, i.e. the careful, honest wording to ensure the author does not mislead readers to think that concrete evidence exists for a particular item when in fact it does not ...

If you are honest, you would admit that CTH and other RWNJ sites promote bullshit. Speculative hyper-partisan bullshit. Constantly. In so doing they sew discord and contribute to the polarization cancer that's afflicting your society.

By refusing to even acknowledge my challenge, you accept that you value speculative hyper-partisan bullshit over honesty and truth. Continuing to uncritically post CTH and other similar screeds is lying, Dave. This makes you a Liar.
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Plumbing the depths of idiocy is Dave's superpower.
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So that's a concrete prediction? Within, say, 3 years, they will be in prison?

5?

20?
Yeah ... 3 years is probably about right.

OK, so from my perspective, this prediction is completely batshit insane.

The NSA spying on Americans was illegal, but Bush (under whose administration it started) never underwent any indictment, and was never prosecuted.

There is, however, a real, in real life, actual special investigation currently underway. There is good reason to believe that it has uncovered substantial evidence of collusion, obstruction and money laundering involving individuals connected to the Russian government and former and current members of the Trump administration. According to Dave, that's all just a cover story (or trap) for the superdooper top-secret "second special investigation" that is about to spring and nab 'Hillary and Obama people'.

I am offering a challenge to Dave in the hope that when this absolute batshit insanity doesn't happen, he will take stock and reevaluate his information sources and internal credulousness subroutine.  So far he is pretending that my challenge is invisible. Nevertheless, he's made some pretty concrete predictions which will be rather easy to verify within the coming weeks (earlier predictions) to 3 years hence (today's prediction).

Will he accept my challenge?
Will he continue pushing out the timeline, since 'any day now' is par for the course for Rapture Ready and other related nitwits.
Will he jump onto the next shiny thing and pretend that all this never happened?
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Care to accept the challenge then, Dave? Do you need it repeated again?

Or will you continue pretending it doesn't exist?
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Learn which plants are poisonous.  Learn what conditions help them thrive, and what plants tend to to out compete them.  Learn when the competitors set seed.  Or learn what animals can eat them without suffering (e.g. goats) and use them to keep them in check.
I see.

So tell me one species of poisonous plant that you think I should be aware of.  And tell me what I should do about it.

And still you wonder why people call you an idiot.
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It will be fun to see what Fred is saying a couple years from now when Hillary and Obama are wearing orange jumpsuits. I wonder if they will share a cell?
Care to accept my challenge then, Dave?

I'm willing to consider any terms I would have to abide by that you propose should I lose. I've already laid out mine (that you've been pretending don't exist in a shameful show of spinelessness). Would you like me to repeat them?
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I wish he'd at least quote some of it, or even just explain what he thinks we're supposed to be getting out of it, instead of just posting a link and saying "Whoo boy" or some equivalent. Finding out what turns Dave on isn't really much incentive for me to click. I'm more interested in understanding what reality looks like to him and why. Just posting the link and :cheer: doesn't really help. Or I guess it does. It tells me he believes everything he reads there with no critical thought. Which is just :sad: Even a brief explanation of why these links make him jerk off so much would demonstrate that some thought process is happening.
It's the sort of thing that is difficult to quote snippets from since it's a verbal representation of those conspiracy charts that the movies show joining up the mugshots to represent the relationships between the suspects when the cops are joining the dots on their investigation. CTH is a conspiracy-theorist wet dream transformed into incoherent rant. With pictures!
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Whoo boy ... https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/14/someones-doing-the-doj-and-fbi-interrogations-and-its-not-congress/#more-145896
Oh, and before I forget,

You are a spineless lying dirtbag Dave. You refuse to accept my challenge, thereby acknowledging that you know that CTH and other RWNJ sites are lying. You lie each and every time you propagate those lies. That makes you a liar, Dave.

Absolute Fucking Truth. Anyone remember that?
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Try distilling it down into a simple statement.

Ya know ... like "Bunch. Move. Rest."

I've always believe that if you can't dumb something down like what I've done here, you probably don't understand it yourself.

Right.
If you can't say it in three words, you probably don't understand it.    ::)

God damn you are an idiot.
I actually thought that post was someone being sarcastic. I had to check. :parrot:
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Yes.  It was about CITIES.  Which is where most Venezeulans live is it not?


You got it wrong, Dave. Admit it and move on.

Besids, to repeat, Venezuela is an example of what happens when simplistic solutions (a la Dave) are applied to complex problems without evaluating the possible ramifications (octohatter bullshit). You demonstrate once again your feeble grasp of just about everything.
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Conservative Treehouse is relentlessly content-free Trump fan-boi cheer-leading. It is rather formulaic, and quickly becomes very boring. It starts with some random detail, minutiae from the previous day, week, administration melt-down, whatever. Then it goes on to (badly) explain how that is really a move in Trump's brilliant 8D-hyper-chess strategy, heavily relying on a lot of speculation. Right up Dave's alley.

He still can't help himself, it seems, from his compulsion to lie about this shit.
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You've mistaken bias and wish thinking for "common sense" Dave. Wake up.
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"Get back to us"

Lol

Photon chairs the Committee for Approval of Sustainability Projects
It truly is astonishing that you are single, Dave.
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(2) Milking dairy cows multiplied by 1.4.



*note, it apparently doesn't matter whether or not the cow or steer is lactating.


? ? ? ? ? ?
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"My theory is that you missed a huge chunk of what Judy does (I'd say that you've missed the H part of HMG) and boiled it down to a heuristic.  A heuristic is not holistic."

I don't think anybody here understands what this Gobbledy gook AKA squid ink is supposed to mean.

Uncool certainly didn't. Because he thinks that all you are saying is that I'm a human being subject to error.

So why don't you dumb this down for all of us poor plebs.
It means that your 'Bunch. Move. Rest', while a good distillation of the process, leaves out some aspects of management that may affect, even be important to, the overall system.
That's how this plebe reads it.
"Leaves out ..."

Such as? For example?

What I said.  Read my post, instead of playing dumb.  Noticing things.  Monitoring things.  Adjusting things. Observing things.

Instead of dismissing all such stuff as "making an inventory" or a "hobby" as I think you called Greg Judy's knowledge of plants.

You give the impression (and I could be wrong) that you think that essentially all a person needs to know to be as successful as Greg Judy at the things we probably all agree are reasonably good things to be successful it is: Bunch Move Rest.

I'm saying that that might not even be the  most important thing.  The most important thing might the noticing itself - how the species that thrive in your region behave and interact. How species differ. Yet you try to apply Bunch Move Rest to bloody rabbits ffs.
In addition, you seem not to have realized that 2 goats on 10 acres is unlikely to have much of an impact on said 10 acres no matter how they are managed.
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"My theory is that you missed a huge chunk of what Judy does (I'd say that you've missed the H part of HMG) and boiled it down to a heuristic.  A heuristic is not holistic."

I don't think anybody here understands what this Gobbledy gook AKA squid ink is supposed to mean.

Uncool certainly didn't. Because he thinks that all you are saying is that I'm a human being subject to error.

So why don't you dumb this down for all of us poor plebs.
It means that your 'Bunch. Move. Rest', while a good distillation of the process, leaves out some aspects of management that may affect, even be important to, the overall system.
That's how this plebe reads it.
"Leaves out ..."

Such as? For example?
Are you even trying to understand what people are telling you here, Dave, or are you looking for a "gotcha! Octohatters so dum"?
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You are a complete idiot.
Quote from: Dave Hawkins
Why do you waste the bandwidth to basically say "nuh uh"? Why don't you just use this post to explain yourself?
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Still pretending my challenge is invisible, Dave?

Still posting bullshit that you know is bullshit? Why? To try to shore up your very shaky belief in Obamatreason?

You are lying, Dave. Lying to yourself, lying to your neighbors, lying to us. You are a liar, Dave.
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He already explained that. Its to improve the soil impact. I think thats his new term for 'majic poop and stomping'.