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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
yes. yes we are.
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http://www.npr.org/2017/10/18/558623341/emoluments-hearing-hints-at-what-may-be-at-stake-trumps-tax-returns
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If there's one thing President Trump's critics want from him, and he refuses to give up, it's his tax returns.

The returns didn't come up during Wednesday's hearing in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan. But the hearing was the first step in a process that could loosen Trump's grip on them.

If the next step goes the plaintiffs' way, the case could make the president's tax returns surface.

Trump is being sued by four plaintiffs who allege he is violating anti-corruption provisions in the Constitution, namely, its Foreign and Domestic Emoluments clauses.

If Judge George Daniels says the plaintiffs have legal standing to proceed with the suit, they then can seek internal financial documents, including those tax returns.

"We will be looking for detailed financial records, foreign and domestic transactions, in the president's businesses," plaintiffs' lawyer Joseph Sellers told reporters after the hearing. "If the tax returns turn out to be relevant we may seek them."

Trump is the only president since 1977 to withhold his tax returns from voluntary disclosure. Unlike recent presidents, he has also refused to comply voluntarily with the federal conflict-of-interest law. Doing so would have forced him to separate himself from the Trump business empire.

The lawsuit comes from three plaintiffs in the hotel and restaurant industry, and one watchdog group, called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

The Constitution's clauses banning emoluments -- that is, money and other favors -- are meant to keep federal officials out of conflicts of interest.

Plaintiffs' lawyer Deepak Gupta told Daniels that Trump's Washington hotel is "an emoluments magnet." Its international business has been burgeoning, according to news reports.

Justice Department lawyer Brett Shumate said the plaintiffs failed to show they have been injured by Trump hotels and restaurants, so they wouldn't have legal standing.

As the hearing wrapped up, Shumate opened a possible argument that presidents aren't even covered by the Foreign Emoluments Clause.
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What on earth is a cecetrope? 
Another stunning success for Hawkinzing. 'Scanning for nuggets' isn't terribly efficient if you actually want to learn something. For reinforcing cherished beliefs, it works fine, but I'm pretty sure it's making you stupider.

By the way, have you ever read a book, or anything for that matter (magazine, newspaper, etc), just for fun? Not to see what nuggets might lurk to bolster flimsily held convictions. Just for fun. Ever done it? Do you remember anything from the experience?
Highly recommend "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" -seriously. Also, Catch-22 although that one may be written at too high a grade level for Dave.
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 :ohmy:
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What on earth is a cecetrope?  No I won't be doing any of that.
it's a type of clown

eta: will you be addressing c14?
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just googled it. That is the sort of thing I definitely don't commit to memory.
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wtf is the zodiac killer?
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idgi
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You mean like how you keep avoiding the c14 thread?
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"Neo Nazi has considered opinions based on rational judgement and informed historical perspective"
Yeah, my friends think I'm weird...
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
idk.  he also pulled a 180 on the bipartisan healthcare fix.  shortly after his executive order, he opposed it.  then he told people he wanted a bipartisan deal soon.
I suppose that's part of his usual destructive-blackmail strategy: "Whoops, I keep blowing everything up and setting it on fire, such a shame, wouldn't it be great if we all came together and stopped things from being blown up and on fire? Think about it while I shoot this puppy".

But the McConnell thing is weirder IMO. Maybe Mitch convinced Trump that he doesn't want him as an enemy?
Maybe Mitch has the pisstape.
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Dave is not concerned with truth. That's been clear for his entire online tenure. But he did spell it out pretty clearly on this thread for sure.
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Here's something interesting...

This morning I was checking around about tornado shelters including do it yourself tornado shelters and I had a conversation with a Ready Mix company.  I asked them about those large concrete blocks they use for barricades and they sell them for only $55 each.  2 1/2' x 2 1/2' x 5' and they weigh 4000 lbs.   imagine building your walls out of these dudes!  Talk about thermal mass!  And only about $2500 for a 20 x 20 structure with 7 1/2 foot high walls ...  The big challenge of course would be transporting them from the plant to your building site  and setting them in place.
so much for easily movable
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Yes I should probably redo my chimney to have a taller vertical run
:stare:
do you have any fully horizontal run?
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Anyways Dave,  I'm disappointed in you for not being actually concerned with truth when you go all soapbox about it. There's a reason fundamentalist Christians are so reviled by the rest of us. Your ethics are disturbing. You lie to yourselves and to those around you and want to tell other people what to believe based on only your assertions. Well, your assertions are retarded and your lies in their service would only be funny if they weren't so damaging to humanity.

Fundy Christians. Can't live with 'em, can't feed 'em to the lions anymore.
You're an idiot.  Of course I'm concerned with truth.  And one of the biggest truths around is ... there was a Global Flood.

The only truthful comment in your reply is calling Testy an idiot.  Which, IIRC, Testy holds as a badge of honor.
:unsure: maybe more of being willing to accept the facts as they present themselves.
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Otherwise, your hypothesis of a Global Flood as described in the christian bible has no evidence to support the story.  Everywhere we look in detail the evidence is lacking.
Geology?  No direct evidence of a global flood in any layer when examined.
Radiocarbon Dating?  The Global Flood's worst enemy.
Archeology?  No flooding noted in any find.
Geography?  No flooding results that are not BETTER explained by other phenomena; and definately no global impact noted.
Physics? Nope.

So all this trope of "LOOK AT THE BOOOOONNNNEEESSS!!!" is just that.  Trope.  You need not ONLY evidence but a preponderance of evidence to make such a bold claim as a Global Flood 5,000 years ago.
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Anyways Dave,  I'm disappointed in you for not being actually concerned with truth when you go all soapbox about it. There's a reason fundamentalist Christians are so reviled by the rest of us. Your ethics are disturbing. You lie to yourselves and to those around you and want to tell other people what to believe based on only your assertions. Well, your assertions are retarded and your lies in their service would only be funny if they weren't so damaging to humanity.

Fundy Christians. Can't live with 'em, can't feed 'em to the lions anymore.
You're an idiot.  Of course I'm concerned with truth.  And one of the biggest truths around is ... there was a Global Flood.

I may be an idiot but that has nothing to do with the fact that you chose to respond to that post and not this one:
Dave, it's pretty hard to keep pretending you have anything like an open mind regarding the question of whether there was a global flood 6000 years ago when you claim you don't understand the evidence refuting it but claim it doesn't matter because you are already sure there was such a flood. Just saying.
If you gave even the tiniest toss about truth, you'd consider what these curves, and the mere existence of Brown's effort, means to your model and your understanding of science as a method and as a process. But you haven't, and I see no indication that you will. You are not committed to truth. You're committed to Truth(R). Aka lies or whatever it takes to believe what you were told to believe.

There is a reason scientists say you suck at science. It's because you suck at science.
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Anyways Dave,  I'm disappointed in you for not being actually concerned with truth when you go all soapbox about it. There's a reason fundamentalist Christians are so reviled by the rest of us. Your ethics are disturbing. You lie to yourselves and to those around you and want to tell other people what to believe based on only your assertions. Well, your assertions are retarded and your lies in their service would only be funny if they weren't so damaging to humanity.

Fundy Christians. Can't live with 'em, can't feed 'em to the lions anymore.
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Dave, it's pretty hard to keep pretending you have anything like an open mind regarding the question of whether there was a global flood 6000 years ago when you claim you don't understand the evidence refuting it but claim it doesn't matter because you are already sure there was such a flood. Just saying.
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So Ehrlich is one of the few (ballsy) scientists who says that the Sahara desert is a manmade desert, not a natural one.

What evidence do we have for this?

Well at first I looked at Rome and it's deforestation practices, but Voxrat says that Rome only colonized the Mediterranean coast, not the entire area that is now the Sahara.  While this is true, I don't think we know how much of this land area might have been deforested by the Romans.

Be that as it may ...

I've looked elsewhere for evidence supporting Ehrlich's claim.

And I think I've found some in the Tassili n'Ajjer cave paintings in Southeastern Algeria.  If you look on a map at where SE Algeria is, it's smack dab in the center of what is now the Sahara desert.

This website describes the cave paintings.  Note the timeframes ...

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The Pastoral Period (or 'Bovidian period') from around 7,200 BC to 3,000 BC is the dominant period in terms of the number of paintings, during which there is the representation of bovine herds and the scenes of daily life. They have an aesthetic naturalistic realism to them and are among the best known examples of prehistoric mural art.

The Horse and Libyan Warrior Period ('Equidian period'), which dates from approximately 3200 BC to 1000 BC, covers the end of the Neolithic and protohistoric periods, which corresponds to the disappearance of numerous species from the effects of progressive desiccation and to the appearance of the horse. Horses have also been depicted pulling chariots, driven by whip-wielding unarmed charioteers, suggesting that the chariots were not used for fighting, but possibly for hunting.  However, chariots with wooden wheels could not have been driven across the rocky Sahara and into the mountains where many of the chariot paintings occur.

Some of the last artistic images reflect the taming of camels in the aptly named Camel Period, which dates from around 2,000 BC to 1,000 BC. This period coincided with the onset of the hyper-arid desert climate and with the appearance of the dromedary (a camel with one hump on its back). http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/15000-artworks-over-ten-millennia-reveal-evolution-human-life-edge-sahara

Some things to note here ...

1) It didn't become hyper-arid until the 2000 BC - 1000 BC range, much later than what you guys think
2) The "Pastoral Period" is dominant in terms of number of paintings and includes depictions of bovine herds.  Sounds like overgrazing to me.  Does it not to you?
3) The timeframe for the Pastoral Period is skewed.  See RH Brown.

As for your Milankotich Cycle theory ... well ... that's just speculation.  This is a science forum.  We deal in facts.
Reposting for the people who don't read carefully. 

Here are the things that you should glean from this article ...

1)  There was a pastoral society smack dab in the middle of what is now the Sahara desert less than 10,000 years ago.
2)  Hyper arid conditions were not prevalent until about 1000 BC. Much later that you guys believe.

Now you take these gleanings from this article and combine them with things you should already know...

1)  That the 10,000 year timescale should be compressed thanks to the work of RH Brown.
2)  The fact of desertification happening all around us even today as a result of deforestation and overgrazing.

And voilĂ ! You have support for Ehrlich's claim!

See how that works?
Got interested in this topic again recently.  I see that, as usual, there is no substantive refutation from this crowd ...
Weird how you got interested again at the same time you are badgering from the c14 thread despite the fact that you don't understand it yet. Oh, and from your dumbass claim that there is a global flood layer found in continent sized whatever whatever that isn't actually there.
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I'm surprised Dave isn't interested in the c14 curves issue, being all about truth and all.
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It's interesting to try to get a handle on how Dave thinks science - specifically hypothesis-testing - works.

He doesn't really get the concept of model-fitting.  He seems to think you devise a curve, then try to find data that will somehow lie on it.

And if you can't find any, then think up a different curve. 

He can't seem to grok the idea that you can simply plot your actual data and derive the curve from the data - fit the curve to the data.

Dave's only recourse is to reject the data.
Hahahahaha ... you are so broken.
but you can't say how
Because, as he already pointed out,  he doesn't understand the question.
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Explanation for what?

 And hold on. I thought it was YOU that was going to explain.
Ok. First, do you understand that Brown's curve or any similar curve based on any c14 concentration model at all makes testable predictions? And that those predictions are entirely independent of any actual measurements of c14 concentration in samples?
[Y]
[N]

I don't understand ANY curves very well ... and I think that data is often cherry picked by Old Earthers to support their own paradigm ...
Ok. You are saying
[NO], right? You do not understand what Brown's curve represents. Correct?
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Morning potter :)