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Messages - Testy Calibrate

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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Anyone watching the trump speech?  :stareicide:
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Wow that was cool. All I can say is that totality is nothing like almost totality. Back in PDX now. I will make pilgrimages to see that again.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
I imagine they can't follow him around the course in their big ass SUVs? 
but they're his goddamn golf carts
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Hahaha, the businessman is making the Secret Service go broke. :sadcheer:
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The Secret Service has had to spend about $60,000 just on golf cart rentals while at Mar-a-Lago and Trump's Bedminster golf club in New Jersey.
huh?
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I'm not buying into that one season filmed in two halves and aired a year apart garbage.
Oh damn. I love the show but I don't know if I have another season in me.
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Borealis, you often act like what we in Missouri call "a manipulative bitch" ... I'll keep saying it from time to time until you stop acting like one.
Stay gold ponybot.
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I don't think the plan will work.  at least, I hope it does not (if by "working" you mean it convinces cersei to form some sort of alliance and we move into the last season with everyone working together).  I sure hope this season ends with cersei dead.
I thought this is the last season.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Comic relief thread
Weird
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I must have missed something. Was there ever a point to this drug-induced hallucination? If so, what was it?
Drugs can't give.this kind of hallucination.
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If you haven't noticed, I'm not real open minded to snotty, nose-in-the-air criticism from people who are not practicing what they preach.

Thought experiments?
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"He never considers water power, or wind powered devices, or even, unless prodded, using domestic horses or oxen for such things as transporting firewood."

Then I ask if SHE has any of this stuff.

And she asks "what does that have to do with anything?"

Lol
You are an idiot.
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Being a woman, you should ask her husband. Amirite? Wink wink
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don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters.
:sadyes:

vandals took the handles.

Wants eleven dollar bills.
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As I've explained before, we are not waving any magic wands. We are simply stretching the expected longevity of a few items so we can ignore them for the purposes of the thought experiment, thus simplifying things so we can understand it better.

If we are really producing food with no more than one man-hour per day per person ...  then I hope you can see that everyone would have lots of extra time on their hands.

Note also that no one paid for land. The more I think about it the more I feel that this is a fundamental flaw in our society - the fact that you can buy and sell land.

For our thought experiment, what it means is that no one has to save money for years to be able to start using land. And no one has to go into debt to purchase land. Land is simply allocated based on an agreement to use it productively.

Right. Just wave the unicorn horn and "give everybody land."
The US government gave everybody land back in the 19th century.  The Wai Wai people of Guyana were given something like a million acres not too long ago as a reserve.  There's no unicorn needed.  You just draw lines.  The strange thing in our world today is "buying" and "selling" and "owning" land.  These concepts were (and should be) foreign to many people historically.

I am not sure how I feel about that because there are layers of complexity involved and you are unable to see complexity. Wealth has it's up and down sides. But I will say one thing that has stuck with me over the years from a very detailed political and economic analysis I read a few decades ago. One of the reasons that Brazil's ultra-poor were unable to escape poverty was the unavailability of capital because the government gave them land that they couldn't borrow against.

If you were in any way able to imagine complexity, this could be an interesting conversation. It involves giving people the right to be exploited by those with more wealth and it also gives people access to resources that they could individually use to build something that generates wealth. The whole set of pro and con arguments regarding capitalism as a form of social organization are buried in there. It's kinda, er, sad, that you can't see what issues you are actually trying to address.
Partly it is a case of Dave refusing to consider the real cost of technology. Vehicles, I-phones, computers, solar panels, batteries, internet, infrastructure, global manufacturing, the exploitation of poor labourers, including children, in other countries. the dreadful politics of modern capitalism that underlies all of that does not exist in Dave's world. His envisioned Davetopia is utterly dependent on that not changing.

In fact, denying the real world underlies even his simplest precept - free land. He was never able to concede that all land is not equally conducive to growing food or pasturing animals. As soon as you begin dividing land, some individuals will get good land and some will get poor land. He never considers natural waterways; when he thinks of water, he thinks of drilled wells and manmade ponds.

He has a difficult time thinking about passive solar solutions; briefly considering them and then going straight to solar panels for generating electricity. He never considers water power, or wind powered devices, or even, unless prodded, using domestic horses or oxen for such things as transporting firewood.

It's as if his brain glommed onto the idea that life could be better and healthier (true) and then promptly shut down right after 'goat milk'.
don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters.
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"One of the reasons that Brazil's ultra-poor were unable to escape poverty was the unavailability of capital because the government gave them land that they couldn't borrow against."

Define ultra poor.  I suspect that your definition is far different than mine.

The Wai Wai  people - to take an example  of people who live mostly in Brazil  - are quite rich by my standards.  Good shelter, good food, good neighbors, good families.  Very little money, yes, but who needs money when you have all that real wealth?

So it appears to me that you are completely full of shit.
I see. Way to extrapolate there. Solid.
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I understand complexity far better than you do.  Maybe you'll see that one day.
Oh. Maybe so. I don't see it today though.
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As I've explained before, we are not waving any magic wands. We are simply stretching the expected longevity of a few items so we can ignore them for the purposes of the thought experiment, thus simplifying things so we can understand it better.

If we are really producing food with no more than one man-hour per day per person ...  then I hope you can see that everyone would have lots of extra time on their hands.

Note also that no one paid for land. The more I think about it the more I feel that this is a fundamental flaw in our society - the fact that you can buy and sell land.

For our thought experiment, what it means is that no one has to save money for years to be able to start using land. And no one has to go into debt to purchase land. Land is simply allocated based on an agreement to use it productively.

Right. Just wave the unicorn horn and "give everybody land."
The US government gave everybody land back in the 19th century.  The Wai Wai people of Guyana were given something like a million acres not too long ago as a reserve.  There's no unicorn needed.  You just draw lines.  The strange thing in our world today is "buying" and "selling" and "owning" land.  These concepts were (and should be) foreign to many people historically.

I am not sure how I feel about that because there are layers of complexity involved and you are unable to see complexity. Wealth has it's up and down sides. But I will say one thing that has stuck with me over the years from a very detailed political and economic analysis I read a few decades ago. One of the reasons that Brazil's ultra-poor were unable to escape poverty was the unavailability of capital because the government gave them land that they couldn't borrow against.

If you were in any way able to imagine complexity, this could be an interesting conversation. It involves giving people the right to be exploited by those with more wealth and it also gives people access to resources that they could individually use to build something that generates wealth. The whole set of pro and con arguments regarding capitalism as a form of social organization are buried in there. It's kinda, er, sad, that you can't see what issues you are actually trying to address.
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Someone explain "thought experiment" to madmardigan
Ok. Imagine you are riding on a flashlight beam. Now, how do you get off?
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Omg that is good.
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Back to the 1000 person 5000 acre thought experiment ...  it really would be fun to do a computer simulation of this thing... Don't know if that's possible or not.  Anyway, let's assume that we've gotten past setting up the village council and land has been allocated among all the people and everybody has used their starting materials to build their houses.   Seems to me that with the proper set up and the proper knowledge, everyone can pretty much have an abundance of wonderful things to eat with only about an hour or maybe two of labor each day.  The rest of everyone's days can be spent doing creative things - making music, doing science, reading books, surfing the Internet, inventing things, whatever.

What am I missing?
Your brain
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
So, who.are McMaster and Kelly as people? I'm a little bit worried that generls are running the white house now.
Kelly was leading the CBP and ice charge before becoming chief of staff. He's a garbage person.
Well sure. But I guess that there have been lots of garbage types in politics over the years. The bar may have been raised too high by the current shit show but I guess I wondered how authoritarian they are from a Nazi perspective.
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http://theantimedia.org/black-farmer-response-charlottesville-exposes-larger-problem/
And? Does any of that absolve violent white nationalists of their behaviour, or absolve Trump of his idiotic equivocation of "many sides" and "fine people"?

Fine people who, it needs to be noted, we're marching with a group of people carrying swastikas and chanting white supremacist slogans