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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Trump boots second government employee from current post after Breitbart attacks them by name

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Nowrouzzadeh came under fire from the Breitbartites for her Iranian-American ethnicity, for her role helping to craft the Iranian nuclear deal, and for the usual "alt-right" racist drivel supposing that her college-aged work as an intern for an Iranian-American group was truly a front for blah blah burpfart blah. (The pattern of targeting individual Americans for conspiracy-laden smearing will be familiar to any watcher of the far-right, from 12-year old S-chip recipients to charity workers to career civil servants.)

While career government officials are in theory protected from being fired in partisan purges, they aren't protected from being reassigned out of their jobs and into others. This is the second time Breitbart conspiracy-laden attacks on named government officials have immediately preceded the Trump administration doing just that; you could forgive a person for coming to the obvious conclusion that the critters scurrying around the current office are purging government offices based on the conspiracy theories they read on far-right websites. We know, after all, that Donald Trump is prone to believing anything he reads on Twitter.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Your president is unhinged:

https://apnews.com/c810d7de280a47e88848b0ac74690c83
Did he really do this?

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AP: Do you feel like that's one thing that you've changed, that you maybe are actually asking the direct questions about some of these things?
TRUMP: Yeah. Let me give me an example. A little before I took office there was a terrible article about the F-35 fighter jet. It was hundreds of billions of dollars over budget. It was seven years behind schedule. It was a disaster. So I called in Lockheed and I said, "I'm sorry, we're going to have to bid this out to another company, namely Boeing," or whoever else. But Boeing. And I called in Boeing and I started getting competing offers back and forth. ...
TRUMP: I saved $725 million on the 90 planes. Just 90. Now there are 3,000 planes that are going to be ordered. On 90 planes I saved $725 million. It's actually a little bit more than that, but it's $725 million. Gen. Mattis, who had to sign the deal when it came to his office, said, "I've never seen anything like this in my life." We went from a company that wanted more money for the planes to a company that cut. And the reason they cut -- same planes, same everything -- was because of me. I mean, because that's what I do.

Because that is revolutionary.  He really isn't beholden to anybody, he isn't worried about how much money people might give or withhold from his war chest.  But he does seem to not like getting ripped off by a defense contract.

How is that unhinged?
Because it's a fantasy. He didn't get the price reduced.  How Trump got credit for slashing price of fighter jet when he didn't, Trump's claims of saving millions on F-35 jet untrue, says armed services committee Dem, F-35 Cost Cuts Had Little To Do With President Trump.
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Another Republican head rolls.

Former district judge charged with human trafficking

From Juanita Jean's beauty salon

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The Child Sex Trafficker
April 23, 2017 By: El Jefe

Remember the nonsensical story about Hillary running a child sex trafficking operation at the back of a pizza joint in DC?  Remember the nut job who believed it and came in shooting an AR-15?  Remember all that?  Well.  The story is actually true, but it's not Hillary, it's not in a pizza joint and it's not in DC.  It's actually in Campbell County Kentucky and the trafficker is Tim Nolan, a high profile Republican who is closely associated with the Tea Party, the KKK, and was Campbell Country chair of the Trump campaign.  During the delegate battle in Kentucky, he challenged Mitch McConnell for control of the state delegation.  He serves (at least for now) on Campbell County's school board.
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and the Trump administration seems unaware of the possibility that the US could lose ground by making changes.
But he can't lose, he's such a great negotiator. He'll wave his dick and Canada will cave.
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If so, what do you think happens to US export deals if the US bans imports?
Who said anything about banning imports? I'm not in favor of banning imports. But I am in favor of tariffs so as to protect our own industry.  The United States federal government was financed for most of our history with tariffs  if I recall correctly.

Dave, try to focus.  You set out some kind of principle that it was stupid for countries to import stuff from other countries instead of making it themselves.  If that is some kind of principle, then both exports and imports, in your view, should be minimised, whether by bans or tariffs, right?

That might - possibly - work for very large countries, which are large enough to have enough resources, and a large enough internal market, to be self-sufficient.  But it won't work for countries that aren't.  They need to import and export.

Right? So your principle only applies to very large countries, right?

Or wrong?

And if right, what do you think will happen to US exports if the US raises much larger tariffs on imports?  You think other countries will just suck it up?  Countries that rely on exports and imports?  On trade?
"Try to focus"

Lol

Says the woman who can't focus.

Right if we are talking about things like cars.  I cannot imagine the country of Guyana in South America developing their own domestic auto industry.  I'm not making any blanket statements here ... I just find it odd that a large county like the USA should have to buy cars from Japan.  Why aren't we good enough and smart enough to build our own?
We are.  But we need lots of imported materials to do so.

However, the free market has determined that there's a place for imported cars and cars made in the US by foreign companies.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
House Oversight Committee calls on Trump's business to prove he's not violating the Constitution

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During the January 11 news conference, Dillon said that Trump's plan to circumvent the constitutional problem posed by deals of that sort is "to voluntarily donate all profits from foreign government payments made to his hotel to the United States Treasury."

But as of March 17, the Trump Organization hadn't donated any foreign profits, according to USA Today.

"The Trump Organization now says it plans to make the donation after the end of the calendar year," USA Today reported, but Trump's business "would not provide a copy of the policy or otherwise explain how Trump hotels and similar businesses will separate profits from foreign governments' rentals of rooms and suites, conference rooms and banquet facilities, or payments for other services at its hotels, and deliver the money to the Treasury as the president and his lawyers spelled out in a nationally televised January news conference."
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(we are resource rich)
Well, yes and no.  A lot of critical stuff for today's cars and other products. comes from other countries.  Nickel from Canada.  Rare earths from China. We have bauxite but not enough to satisfy our needs; Australia, South America, and Africa have gobs. China, Russia, Portugal, Austria, and Bolivia give us tungsten. China, Russia, South Africa, Tajikistan, and Bolivia give us antimony.

Modern civilization requires many more different resources than your 14th century distopia.
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But people have been engaging in trade for many thousands of years, to the great benefit of civilisation.
What benefits?  I'm sure there are some, but I'd like to hear which things you think are benefits due to international trade (because it IS international trade you are advocating here).
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY. Duh.

Follow the money.

The main reason is money.  If you choke off international trade Walmart's prices skyrocket, along with everyone else's. 

Also some things are just not available in the US, and some things are done better overseas.

But the main reason is economics.
price is actually a terrible argument. It assumes a materialism worldview.
Capitalist companies tend to have a materialistic worldview.
sure, but it isn't a good argument for policy unless you accept that consumption is always the best outcome.
I.m not talking about policy, I'm talking about the reasons things are as they are.
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But people have been engaging in trade for many thousands of years, to the great benefit of civilisation.
What benefits?  I'm sure there are some, but I'd like to hear which things you think are benefits due to international trade (because it IS international trade you are advocating here).
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY. Duh.

Follow the money.

The main reason is money.  If you choke off international trade Walmart's prices skyrocket, along with everyone else's. 

Also some things are just not available in the US, and some things are done better overseas.

But the main reason is economics.
price is actually a terrible argument. It assumes a materialism worldview.
Capitalist companies tend to have a materialistic worldview.
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You're not going to "teach me economics" because you don't understand economics. 
Fun thing, Dave.

I do.
Great.  Teach me something then if you can.
You obviously can't learn.  But here it is again:

Are there any fundamental reasons why anybody in the United States should have to buy any  manufactured product from any other country?    I really cannot think of any.
You really can't think at all.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

Products are made in other countries mostly because of the cost of labor. If they were made in this country the manufacturers would have to charge significantly more for their product. Even after shipping and import costs. Companies that are still manufacturing in the US are doing it with automation, not workers.

Trump's not bringing back any significant number of manufacturing jobs.  The economics aren't there.
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Here you go, Dave. Simple explanation of the benefits of international trade from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce...

https://www.uschamber.com/international/international-policy/benefits-international-trade-0

(Even simpler version: pretty much the same benefits as any other form of trade, just on a larger scale.)
I want to hear YOUR explanation in your own words
See my just previous messages. See Dave run away!!
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But people have been engaging in trade for many thousands of years, to the great benefit of civilisation.
What benefits?  I'm sure there are some, but I'd like to hear which things you think are benefits due to international trade (because it IS international trade you are advocating here).
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY. Duh.

Follow the money.

The main reason is money.  If you choke off international trade Walmart's prices skyrocket, along with everyone else's. 

Also some things are just not available in the US, and some things are done better overseas.

But the main reason is economics.
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Are there any fundamental reasons why anybody in the United States should have to buy any  manufactured product from any other country?    I really cannot think of any.
You really can't think at all.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

Products are made in other countries mostly because of the cost of labor. If they were made in this country the manufacturers would have to charge significantly more for their product. Even after shipping and import costs. Companies that are still manufacturing in the US are doing it with automation, not workers.

Trump's not bringing back any significant number of manufacturing jobs.  The economics aren't there.
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"Isolationist" ... "Globalist"

It all depends on what you mean  by these terms.
"Globalist" means "Jew". I just found that out.
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Not sure where this should go:

"BILL O'REILLY IS A CENTRIST" IS THE KIND OF RESULT YOU GET WHEN RIGHT-WINGERS DO SCIENCE

{link does not go to Breitbart)

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Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents

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By Ned Parker, Jonathan Landay and John Walcott | WASHINGTON
A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters' faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election.
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Reuters sure knows their shit, amirite Davie?

Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents

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By Ned Parker, Jonathan Landay and John Walcott | WASHINGTON
A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters' faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election.
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Massive incompetence or brazen lie? I report, you decide.

DONALD TRUMP, NORTH KOREA, AND THE CASE OF THE PHANTOM ARMADA

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"I said, 'Look, we have ships headed there,' " President Donald J. Trump told the Wall Street Journal on April 12th, recounting the straight talk that he had handed to President Xi Jinping, of China, on the subject of North Korea. "He says he knows it very well. I said not only are there aircraft carriers, we have the nuclear subs, which you have to let him know." "Him" was Kim Jong-un, the leader of North Korea, whom Xi, apparently, was expected to intimidate with information that has now turned out to be false. Some degree of delusion always has to be factored in with Trump: when he referred to "the aircraft carriers" and, in another interview, with Fox Business, said that "we are sending an armada, very powerful," he was widely understood to be referring to a single aircraft carrier, the U.S.S. Vinson, and its support ships. In fairness, the Vinson would have been powerful and provocative enough--if it had, in fact, been speeding toward the Korean Peninsula, or the Sea of Japan, or even just the Pacific Ocean, which it was not. It was in the Indian Ocean, headed in the opposite direction, for exercises with what might be described as the Australian Armada. Just when you think you see the contours of Trump's phantom menace, he comes up with a Phantom Fleet.

 Perhaps Xi knew that what he was being told was nonsense; the movements of a carrier group can't be so hard to conceal, except, perhaps, from the people in charge of America's foreign policy. Trump wasn't alone on this one; it's not a case of him just causing trouble with his phone and Twitter account, rambling about bad hombres. As the timeline makes clear, it's even worse. (The Wall Street Journal and the Times have good versions.) On April 9th, three days before Trump's Wall Street Journal interview, the Navy had said that it had ordered the Vinson "to sail north"; H. R. McMaster, the national-security adviser, reiterated that news on the same day, framing it as a response to North Korea's own provocative moves. Secretary of Defense James Mattis followed that up on April 11th by saying that the Indian Ocean exercises were off, and said that the Vinson was "just on her way up there." That was false. The next day, the Navy said again that the Vinson had been "ordered north"; it added that the effects of that deployment on "other previously scheduled activities are still being assessed during the transit." The Pentagon is now trying to sell that last bit as a quiet correction of Mattis, which the press mysteriously missed--but that is, simply put, ridiculous. For one thing, there's the phrase "during the transit," which assumes that transit had begun. Or is the idea that the Vinson was on its way to the Sea of Japan, in the sense that we are all on our way from cradle to grave, or that Trump is in transit from the Oval Office to choosing items for the gift shop in his Presidential library? A lot can happen in between.

Ya think Xi could have known he was getting BS'd? Just maybe?
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THE CONTINUING FALLOUT FROM TRUMP AND NUNES'S FAKE SCANDAL

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It is now clear that the scandal was not Rice's normal review of the intelligence reports but the coördinated effort between the Trump Administration and Nunes to sift through classified information and computer logs that recorded Rice's unmasking requests, and then leak a highly misleading characterization of those documents, all in an apparent effort to turn Rice, a longtime target of Republicans, into the face of alleged spying against Trump. It was a series of lies to manufacture a fake scandal. Last week, CNN was the first to report that both Democrats and Republicans who reviewed the Nunes material at the N.S.A. said that the documents provided "no evidence that Obama Administration officials did anything unusual or illegal."

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 The intelligence source told me that he knows, "from talking to people in the intelligence community," that "the White House said, 'We are going to mobilize to find something to justify the President's tweet that he was being surveilled.' They put out an all-points bulletin"--a call to sift through intelligence reports--"and said, 'We need to find something that justifies the President's crazy tweet about surveillance at Trump Tower.' And I'm telling you there is no way you get that from those transcripts, which are about as plain vanilla as can be." (The White House did not respond to a request for comment.)


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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
JARED KUSHNER CALLS KIM JONG-UN "TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED PERSON" WHO GOT JOB ONLY THROUGH NEPOTISM

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Offering a stunningly blunt appraisal of the North Korean leader, Jared Kushner said on Tuesday that Kim Jong-un was a "totally unqualified person" who attained his position of power only through nepotism.

"Here you have a guy who has no government experience, and he's in charge of the whole thing," Kushner said, in an interview with Fox News. "It's the craziest thing I've ever heard of."

Kushner noted that, instead of working his way up and acquiring the skills necessary to do his job, the North Korean leader had been given huge responsibilities and power "only because of family connections."

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"There's only one word for that," he said. "Nepotism."

Kushner called the notion of such an unqualified person conducting foreign policy "beyond belief."

"I mean, why would you let someone with no experience in foreign affairs anywhere near such important decisions?" Kushner added. "Why would anyone take someone like that seriously?"