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I really want that to happen. It'll be comedy gold.
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I forget if this has been posted before:


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Boston is sometime in September.  The mayor was interviewed and said that the permit would be issued only if the requesters followed some ground rules like "no tiki torches, no sticks or shields, no amplifying devices, etc.".  The negotiation continues without any definitive conclusion yet.
Boston's tomorrow. I'd be there protesting except I'm not very stable right now; my insurance company is trying to break me and they're near to succeeding.

Thousands Expected to Attend Boston Protests of Right-Wing Rally
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Hypothesis: the "many fine people" who marched believed that they were protesting reverse discrimination against whites.
So being deluded is an excuse for marching with Nazis? And they were so stupid and deluded that they didn't figure out who they were with?

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
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And with home made riot shields.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Ever wonder how to say "Trump" in Ameslan?

https://www.twitter.com/NyleDiMarco/status/897597014170509312
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Bet Davie-doodles thinks the torches were so they could see better.
 
A Short History Of Torches And Intimidation

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For more insight on the use of the torch in Nazi Germany, I spoke with Professor Waitman Beorn, a Holocaust historian who currently teaches in the Corcoran Department of History at the University of Virginia and serves as a consultant to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: "For the Nazis, the torches were meant to evoke avolkisch (racial) connection between a pseudo-historical German race and modern Germans.  In addition, it enhanced the pageantry and spectacle of Nazi events, made famous at the Nuremberg rallies and in Leni Riefenstahl's powerful film, Triumph of the Will." Beorn notes Hitler's attachment to the torch as a symbol: "In Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to another Nazi symbol, the swastika, as having 'an effect like that of a flaming torch.' He also described racial purity as 'the fuel for the torch of human culture. 
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Velshi And Ruhle Smash Trump Talking Points: 'You Can't Just Lie On TV!

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But Ali Velshi and Stephanie Ruhle aren't having it on their show. When you spend your morning rage-tweeting about "beautiful" confederate statues and history, maybe that's not the time to send out surrogates to insist that you're working hard for the American people. Even when Thomas tries to "conservative"splain how the economy is strong, thanks to Donald Trump, Velshi points out that he's taking credit for economic growth that has steadily been climbing due to Obama policies to pull us back from the brink of economic collapse in 2009. "This market started going up on March 9th, 2009," Velshi retorts, "and if you have a ruler, it's a pretty much straight line from there to now. There is nothing Donald Trump has done to cause the market to be where it is right now."

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Still, Thomas gamely tries to keep going, insisting that the Mr. "Art of the Deal" is bringing jobs (even though he couldn't even keep his jobs council together). But again, those facts just get in the way. Velshi interrupts the talking points with an exasperated, "I've given you evidence that the job creation is not as good under President Trump as it was under President Obama, President Bush, President Clinton in the first six months of their office. I've given you evidence that stock market performance was better under President Obama but you just deny it and go on to say other things."
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Velshi And Ruhle Smash Trump Talking Points: 'You Can't Just Lie On TV!

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But Ali Velshi and Stephanie Ruhle aren't having it on their show. When you spend your morning rage-tweeting about "beautiful" confederate statues and history, maybe that's not the time to send out surrogates to insist that you're working hard for the American people. Even when Thomas tries to "conservative"splain how the economy is strong, thanks to Donald Trump, Velshi points out that he's taking credit for economic growth that has steadily been climbing due to Obama policies to pull us back from the brink of economic collapse in 2009. "This market started going up on March 9th, 2009," Velshi retorts, "and if you have a ruler, it's a pretty much straight line from there to now. There is nothing Donald Trump has done to cause the market to be where it is right now."

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Still, Thomas gamely tries to keep going, insisting that the Mr. "Art of the Deal" is bringing jobs (even though he couldn't even keep his jobs council together). But again, those facts just get in the way. Velshi interrupts the talking points with an exasperated, "I've given you evidence that the job creation is not as good under President Trump as it was under President Obama, President Bush, President Clinton in the first six months of their office. I've given you evidence that stock market performance was better under President Obama but you just deny it and go on to say other things."
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
On one side there were Nazis and on the other side there were no Nazis and Trump still came down on the wrong side.

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No, Mr. President.  There were not many sides in Charlottesville.  There were just two. Right and wrong. There were white supremacists on one side and Americans who believe all people are created equal on the other side.  There were hate groups and there were Americans who oppose hate. There were neo-Nazis and... Do we really have to go beyond that? Isn't that what we call a non-starter?  There were Nazi's you stupid piece of shit and still that wasn't clear enough for you?  Really?  You couldn't even get this one right? On one side there were Nazis and on the other there were no Nazis, and you still came down on the wrong side?

Now, I don't know what the Alt Left is, but if it's the group that wants to stand up to neo-Nazis and white supremacists to end racism, bigotry and hate then sign me up.  I suggest however that it is just more crap from the endless pile of crap falling freely from your mouth.  Mr. President, how many Alt Right funerals took place this week?
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On one side there were Nazis and on the other side there were no Nazis and Trump still came down on the wrong side.

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No, Mr. President.  There were not many sides in Charlottesville.  There were just two. Right and wrong. There were white supremacists on one side and Americans who believe all people are created equal on the other side.  There were hate groups and there were Americans who oppose hate. There were neo-Nazis and... Do we really have to go beyond that? Isn't that what we call a non-starter?  There were Nazi's you stupid piece of shit and still that wasn't clear enough for you?  Really?  You couldn't even get this one right? On one side there were Nazis and on the other there were no Nazis, and you still came down on the wrong side?

Now, I don't know what the Alt Left is, but if it's the group that wants to stand up to neo-Nazis and white supremacists to end racism, bigotry and hate then sign me up.  I suggest however that it is just more crap from the endless pile of crap falling freely from your mouth.  Mr. President, how many Alt Right funerals took place this week?

ETA Manipulative bitches, no doubt, and old to boot.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
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I completely disagree with the Nazi philosophy.

Trump doesn't. 

People who bring semiautomatic weapons, clubs, and homemade riot shields with sharpened edges are not intending peace.
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"Trump's mental state is a worldwide threat"

Lol

This about a guy who  has somehow managed to get Kim Jong Un under control while his predecessor was unable to.
He doesn't have ol' Kim under control, but he sure is trying to antagonize Kim further.

All he knows is bullying and suing.  I've worked with Koreans, he can't sue them and bullying them just makes them more determined.
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Hahahaha ... the Ministry of Truth is effective!
Not from any ministry of truth, from your links and their own words.

But it's not surprising you support Nazis and white nationalists and antisemitism.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m
Maybe true, maybe not. Of course you didn't notice that link contains no evidence of what the headline claims.  You didn't read beyond the headline. But it's irrelevant.  Ancient history.  Since 2013 he's an ultra-right-wing white supremacist agitator.

About Jason Kessler:

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Kessler himself has placed his "red-pilling" around December of 2013 when a PR executive was publicly excoriated for a tasteless Twitter joke about AIDS in Africa.

Regarding the incident, Kessler stated "... so it was just a little race joke, nothing that big of a deal, she didn't have that many followers, she probably didn't think anybody was gonna see it,"

Regardless of Kessler's past politics, the rightward shift in his views was first put on display in November, 2016 when his tirade against Wes Bellamy began.

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In a GoFundMe started by one of Kessler's Unity & Security for America cohort to fund the "man hours to prepare for [protests], body armor to protect our journalist from a knife to the ribs, a professional quality microphone for interviewer [sic] the protestors and much more," the group is described as "a revolutionary right wing grassroots movement. Founded by author and activist Jason Kessler who broke the Wes Bellamy Twitter scandal, USA is transformational movement within the Cultural Marxist hell that is Charlottesville."

"Cultural Marxism" refers to a conspiracy that a group of Jewish leaders escaped Nazi Germany and have since sought to "erode Western values" through cultural influence.

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In April of 2017, Kessler retweeted a post by a Twitter account associated with The Right Stuff (TRS). The post shared a racist blog penned by Identity Dixie, a neo-Confederate offshoot of the white nationalist TRS, titled "The Shadow Over Charlottesville." The piece outlined Kessler's efforts to dislodge Bellamy over Bellamy's problematic tweets and retweets and referred to Bellamy as a "pavement ape" and "Councilman Dindu," while also disparaging a federal judge as a "jigaboo" and "pinko-commie fags" in the City of Charlottesville.

That same month, Kessler penned his first article for VDare, a xenophobic, nativist publication started by Peter Brimelow. Kessler has since written four additional blogs for the publication, including the most recent, posted on June 19, titled "Yes, Virginia (Dare), There Is Such A Thing As White Genocide."

Kessler has also written for GotNews.com, a website established by white nationalist and internet troll Chuck Johnson.
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Poster advertising the rally :



See any theme there, Davie-doodles?
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Oh it would be easy. A child could do it. Even if his IP is banned VPNs are mainstream these days.

I have no opinion on your real identity.
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Alabama AG Sues Birmingham, Mayor For Covering Confederate Monument

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[Birmingham Alabama mayor] Bell covered up the monument to Confederate veterans, first with tarps and then with wooden walls erected by city workers overnight Tuesday. Bell told reporters earlier in the day that his immediate goal was to temporarily cover the monument "until such time that we can tell the full story of slavery, the full story of what the Confederacy really meant."

"What the Confederacy represented was the maintaining of individuals as being less than human, of promoting a supremacy doctrine that is no longer valid, and wasn't valid then," he added.
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I agree with all the comments about disenfranchisement. Just being pedantic.
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There are laws allowing the State to deny certain citizens the vote. Fair or not they do exist.

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Beyond which, Bluffy, do you support the institution of slavery, of one person owning another and having virtually total control of their lives, to be able to sell that person, or beat them, even kill them (though there were some laws regarding that), to separate families, to force one to work without pay? Do you support the notion that a State, any State, has the right to institute such an institution? 

Well, Davie-doodles?
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Seems to me that the Civil War pretty much brought an end to the Jeffersonian vision  and expanded and consolidated federal power.
True or not, it doesn't matter to what happened in Charlottesville and what Confederate symbols stand for today.
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Shep Smith: Fox News Bookers Failed To Find A Republican Willing To Defend Trump


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Smith said, "We, our booking team and they're good, reached out to Republicans of all stripes across the country today. Let's be honest, Republicans often don't really mind coming on Fox News Channel. We couldn't get anyone to come and defend him here because we thought in balance someone should do that."

"We worked very hard at it throughout the day and we were unsuccessful," Smith said.

Trump stands alone. Except for his Nazi pals.
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I have not studied this much, but are you sure that the monuments don't commemorate the North's crushing of states rights?
In a way they do. They commemorate the North crushing the "rights"  of states to maintain slavery. Each seceding state produced a written explanation why. Each one was about slavery.

And, no matter their original meaning, today they are symbols of Nazis, white supremacists, racists, division, and hate..