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Florida Man has heard about upstart Oregon Man.  Challenge has been accepted.  After handing off his PBR to his commonlaw wife Florida Man promptly secured his title from any future pretenders.

Murder suspect who used big-penis defense found not guilty
Is there any chance Trump can be convinced some sort of communists have taken over that part of Florida (isn't that short for Flouridation) and grounds for whatever?
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Um, guys?

In Most Expensive House Race Ever, Ossoff Takes the Lead

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There has been very limited public polling since the primary, but a new Survey USA poll shows Ossoff up 51-44 among likely voters.

I don't know what Survey USA's reputation is but still . . .
With but a few examples. the majority always wins. Eventually.
The issue is more damage control than winning.
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you mean "mashed" bananas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUDrxuvDPEo

haven't we suffered enough you fucking monster

No.
Not until you have learned your lessons.

I consider the Trump Presidency an example of what I call the Inverse Probability Effect. This postulates there is a limit, which exists at very low probabilities, below which even lower probabilities trigger an effect that exponentially magnify their potential. And the lower the probability beyond that limit the greater the effect. Esssentially, this means that things that are incomprehensibly improbable become highly likely and thus occur.

This is primarily to confuse us and fuck us up and remind us to never simply discount anything. Sort of akin to Murphy's Law. When you ignore the improbable, the improbable ignores you. If you didn't consider it possible, it becomes possible, even likely. When you discount the utterly inane, it becomes de rigueur. If you summarily dismiss something, it will grow and come back and bite you on the ass, often fatally.

Trump is a perfect example. I have relatives that are quite well educated and normally very sane, but ... ... they voted for Trump because ... ...

One would have thought the experience of the recent financial debacle would have had more of an educational effect, to seriously distrust the financially influential, particularly those that are, themselves, rich and deeply involved in the whole financial industry.
Nope, they voted for a famously financial fraudster that worked the system to his own benefit, leaving many who trusted him destitute. They voted for someone deep into the whole reason there was financial debacle. They totally forgot that financial debacle was the direct result of the policies of the party they voted for and which this clown is now pursuing and from which he, despite the glaring conflicts of interest, personally benefits. However, they have to be careful, if you kill off the working class, there's no one to do the work and nobody to by the crap. It's why China can't afford to attack the US, doing so would destroy their primary market. Not to mention, at this time, they wouldn't win. Not that it'd be a great victory for us as we'd no longer have that source of cheap consumer goods. So the remaining masses, those that voted for Trump, would suffer terribly and revolt. Not that they'd succeed, but it would set a precedence of the military involved in Civil War. Could get really nasty.

It's like a co-dependency situation, if the dependent walks away, they get fucked, big time. And the dependee loses their environment. But at the same time, if the dependee gets too out of whack, they'll destroy their dependent, their source of support. Tricky line to walk. And usually not successfully. One side or the other get's overwhelmed and walks. The result is disaster.

We walk, and our economy crashes, because Walmart and everything else. China's economy crashes because there's no longer a major income stream. No longer a major industry to produce containers and the ships that carry then and the port facilities to support such.

Forget the glaring issues with the Russians. Make no mistake, Trump is only out for himself.  But it will be the legacy of his financial efforts that will be of lasting damage. Get ready for another 2008-2009 flailure, at least for most of us, though a huge boon for the rich.

Yeah, it may be we need a revolution. French style.

I have to admit I cannot understand how anyone who has suffered through the Rust Revolution and the rest of the economic events of the last 30 years could vote for a blatant rich asshole who openly supports the rich bankers that fucked them. It's like a rape victim testifying in court he actually could be a good daddy.

I don't get it.

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He doesn't know what it means though.

My errors, if they were errors, were serial, not fractal.
Sure he does. Just look in the Bigge Olde Booke O' Bluffoonic Davinitions.
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Wrong on so many levels.  What's your word? "Fractally" wrong? But that's ok.  I'm tired of explaining why.
Oh oh, Bluffy has learned a new word.
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Wrong on so many levels.  What's your word? "Fractally" wrong? But that's ok.  I'm tired of explaining why.
That's OK.
All of the disciples who have signed on (or ever will sign on) to your movement are fully on board with the all milk & meat, no fruit or vegetable, diet. :thumbsup:
Actually, so far, with the exception of a couple of male rabbits Bluffy was unable to induce to reproduce, his produce has been goat milk.
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Ya baby!  I never was one for doing things conventionally.
*sigh*

Climbing trees wearing goddamn flip flops is not unconventional, dave. It's stupid.

I learned that lesson as a kid. And it wasn't the Octohatter Establishment that taught me: It was the bruises and the scars.

But (whether you like it or not) you're too old to be learning things that way.
True, but it would be entertaining to see him give it a try.
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I'm tied into two safety ropes.  What else do you want me to do? 
I dunno, wear safer shoes and maybe even chainsaw pants so if you drop your running cutting tool or it bounces off a knot or something (shit happens, Dave) you don't end up cutting half your foot off or bleeding to death in a tree?

We may argue with you, laugh at your bizarre ideas, etc., but nobody here wants to see you seriously hurt or worse, Dave.
Yah, I just want to see him seriously humiliated. Not quite hoisted by his own petard, but good enough. Thankfully, it's unlikely anybody will give Bluffy explosives.
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I'm tied into two safety ropes.  What else do you want me to do?
Bluffy, it's not how many safety ropes you are tied into, but how you are tied into them and what sort of ropes they are. I dunno, can't see what sort of harness you are using and what sort of rope you are tied into or what that rope is tied into. Is it a harness made from rope or webbing? Is it professional or homemade? Is it climbing rope, with some stretchy give so you don't break something when you come to that sudden stop at the end of the rope. Obviously, there's no one belaying you, so how far will you drop if you loose your grip? You do realize that when you do come to the end of the rope, it's almost certain you're going to end up head down.

As to what I'd like to see you do, please fall and end up waiting, yelling for someone to let you down. But don't die, I'd miss laughing at you.
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Dave, do people living in the Amazon rainforest climb 100' up to prune the trees?

Dave, goats are browsers. Why do you think they prefer tree leaves to grass?
I wonder how many people there are in the boreal forest and how much pruning they do?

Then again, Bluffy has not yet offered his davinition of the word "forest".
Do Joshua Trees constitute a forest?
How about a Fossil Forest?
Are Kelp Beds a forest?
Palms on a desert island?
Mangroves?

I've hiked through lots of forests in the Redwood country of Northern California which housed no people. Ditto with some high in the Sierra. There's some pretty cool oak forests on the Central California coast. Hiking up to Sykes Hot Springs there was an absolute dearth of human habitation.

I also note, Bluffy still seems to think it's perfectly OK to "prune" those elms in Spring and Summer. http://www.soselms.org/guide.htm
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Do not prune during the pruning ban (April 1st - August 31st) when the smell from cut branches can attract elm bark beetles.
and
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Don't store or transport elm firewood as elm bark beetles will breed in it.  It is illegal!  One two foot piece of elm wood can hold 1,800 infested beetles.  Elm firewood must be taken to the city landfill where it will be buried to make it inaccessible for breeding.
  Oops!

Leave it to Bluffy, if you want something done wrong, Bluffy is your guy.
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Lol

I did a cursory search for the medical or scientific word for gaining gratification from being embarrassed but didn't get any results. Is there such a word? Is it something like Hawkinism? 
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I don't have any octohatter data on lifespans of the indigenous people groups that price studied in the 1930s.  I suspect someone does somewhere but it would probably take quite a bit of digging.

Any data at all would do, octohatter or otherwise.

If you don't have it, your case falls apart.
Sorry, I disagree with the notion that "any data" will do. No, some is shit and not acceptable. Though I accept it should be acknowledged, examined and evaluated. That's how it's done.
And anecdotal "evidence" is the most highly suspect of all. Because it generally has no provenance, no background, no bonafides. It's why hearsay is generally prohibited in court.

"My cousin's niece's neighbor said .... "  Which is why I'm divorcing you. Yeah, it may be a reason to look at something to see if there is something real there, but certainly not one to form a conclusion upon.

Not all evidence is equal. The testimony of someone who was actually right there and personally witnessed the event live, and which testimony is backed up with substantial amounts of solid physical evidence and other similar testimony is substantially more valid than that of someone who heard about it from their neighbor who heard about it from their inlaw who saw it on TV.

Frankly, Bluffy's recollection of something he claims he read at some time but refuses to disclose when or where, given his penchant for fabrication and a well established pattern of not actually reading for comprehension, is not even up to the level of that of your neighbor who heard about it from their inlaw who swears they saw it on TV. 
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women aren't even allowed to work there, right?
Only on their backs and knees.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/policing-and-race-in-troy-new-york
What's amazing is the insurance companies continue to pay out on these cases.
There's where the real problem lies.

It won't really change until the insurance companies refuse to insure these Cities and Counties and States. It won't change until it starts hurting them in the pocket book. Until some minority victim ends up owning the City or County, literally.

Ironically, the whole police issue doesn't just affect minorities by race, it also affects the poor, of any color. If you don't have the means to defend yourself legally, you're also a target. And those that don't toe the line. Though certainly not as much as those non-whites, who get targeted more often and more viciously than any others. We, as a nation, as a culture, have abdicated our sense of justice to what often amounts to a gang of bullies, often racist bullies, who then prey upon the weakest. The non-white, non-male, non-adult, non-citizen, non-rich (even when the bully is non-white, non-male, non-adult, non-citizen, non-rich) simply because they can and they signed up for the duty and we hired them. Rather than hire the best, the most humane and most qualified emotionally and intellectually to protect and serve us all, we hire the least qualified in all categories other than the ability to do violence, to do so. And then we give them deadly weapons and the apparent authority to use them against us. And then back them up when they fuck up. Gee, I wonder why we get the results we do.

And this ironicity only comes to the fore when there is an outrageous example. When some white male rich fucker gets pulled over, which, surprisingly, rarely happens, despite centuries of history documenting the fact the white male adult rich citizens (often highly placed) commit crimes at least as often and usually of a far greater harm to society as the rest of us, they are apologized to and let to go on their way. Either immediately or eventually.

And I realize most law enforcement personnel are not like that, or at least not that bad, at least I hope so, what I don't get is why what I hope are the good guys line up and protect the bad ones. It just makes them all look bad. Don't they realize that if you support evil you become evil? Or maybe these "tough" guys are also intimidated by the bullies. Another characteristic to avoid.  

Unfortunately, we seem to be heading towards an ever greater police presence and authority. Often at the behest of those we need to be most protected from. Despite which many of us regularly vote for the very things or people we claim to abhor.
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From the bits of anecdotal evidence I have read,
< clip rest of post based on useless "bits of anecdotal evidence I have read" >
Right.
You have no idea.
Uh ... ... what's an idea?
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Lol
Heck, even Bluffy find his flailures amusing.

Talk about being self-aware!
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Here are the broad conclusions that I draw from the works of Stefansson and Price with a few other wisdom nuggets thrown in ...

1) There are no essential foods.  Only essential nutrients.  (biochemist Harold Draper speaking about the Inuits)

Which is idiotically reductionist.  To take but one example: dietary fibre is really important for health.  Dietary fibre is not a nutrient.  But it's just idiotic anyway.  If it were true, what you like to dismiss as "frankenfood" would be fine -just check the nutrients on the can.

2) One can be very healthy on animal foods alone, but not on plant foods alone

Price's populations did not live on animal foods alone.  Nothing in either of your sources is evidence that it is not possible to live healthily on plant foods alone.  Many people do.

3) Animal foods should be "wild" ... for example, wild caught salmon, 100% grass fed beef and milk, pastured eggs, etc.

Grass fed cows are not "wild".

4) "Eat your veggies and salad for good health" is a fallacy and consumes boatloads of money, energy and time for little benefit.

It is not a fallacy.  And vegetables are much cheaper to grow than animal foods, generally.
5) Raising animals is more fun than raising vegetable like lettuce, broccoli, cabbage, etc.  Ever tried to interact with a cabbage plant?

Glad you enjoy it. But you are not the generality of the human race.  Many people enjoy growing vegetables.

0/5
As suggested elsewhere, Bluffy should watch the video "Cowspiracy" to see the real costs of animal husbandry vs plant husbandry. (husbandry is a weird anachronistic term, based upon the notion that males control reproduction, quite the opposite is true, despite the hubris of many human males). Cattle are a particularly wasteful exercise in food production.

Then again, a really rare, really good steak is something akin to nirvana. Not something one wants to wallow in.
In any case, Bluffy is not tending cows, but goats. And, yeah, that's about all he's doing, "tending". And referring to consumption of cow milk as a substitute for actually eating the beef? Well, the metaphor explains itself.
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Translation: I like burgers and I won't eat my broccoli. I won't, I won't , I won't, you can't make me!


Dave there are millions of vegetarians and vegans out there who have a perfectly healthy diet that includes no meat, no dairy, and no, or very few, animal products. You are an idiot.
Every "vegan" I've ever met has at least some animal products in their diets.
Every vegan I've ever met is really a vegan and eats no animal products.

Ditto. Why would they even claim to be vegan otherwise?  Makes no sense.
Well, in some cases, it's to get laid. Ya meets up with some hottie, it turns out theyz vegan, so, hey, youz vegan too! Letz get it on!!

Well, woe betide if they catch you sneaking a hamburger.
Nah, the folks that employ this tactic are not generally into long term, or even more than one-night stand term, relationships.

Personally, while I really enjoy a good bit of ultra rare beef, it's a luxury item, perhaps a couple of times a year. The Girl understands and accepts this, she can even watch me eat it with no ill effects. She's a vegan or even a vegetarian. She used to have chickens, one of them produced the loveliest blue-green eggs, but a raccoon got her, the chicken. Unfortunately, they weren't any different inside and didn't taste any different. I do have to admit, 1st ex-wife was raised on a ranch and we always had really fresh eggs, free range even (this was in the 60s) and they were noticeably much better tasting than store bought.
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Translation: I like burgers and I won't eat my broccoli. I won't, I won't , I won't, you can't make me!


Dave there are millions of vegetarians and vegans out there who have a perfectly healthy diet that includes no meat, no dairy, and no, or very few, animal products. You are an idiot.
Every "vegan" I've ever met has at least some animal products in their diets.
Every vegan I've ever met is really a vegan and eats no animal products.

Ditto. Why would they even claim to be vegan otherwise?  Makes no sense.
Well, in some cases, it's to get laid. Ya meets up with some hottie, it turns out theyz vegan, so, hey, youz vegan too! Letz get it on!!
Perhaps it was one of Bluffy's encounters with a lady that didn't want his sacred bodily fluids and so claimed she was a "vegan".
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Translation: I like burgers and I won't eat my broccoli. I won't, I won't , I won't, you can't make me!


Dave there are millions of vegetarians and vegans out there who have a perfectly healthy diet that includes no meat, no dairy, and no, or very few, animal products. You are an idiot.
Every "vegan" I've ever met has at least some animal products in their diets.
Every vegan I've ever met is really a vegan and eats no animal products.

Ditto. Why would they even claim to be vegan otherwise?  Makes no sense.
Well, in some cases, it's to get laid. Ya meets up with some hottie, it turns out theyz vegan, so, hey, youz vegan too! Letz get it on!!
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I don't have any octohatter data on lifespans of the indigenous people groups that price studied in the 1930s.  I suspect someone does somewhere but it would probably take quite a bit of digging.
So you really have no idea how healthy they were compared to, say, people following the AHA dietary recommendations.
Sure I do.  I think it's far more likely that they were more healthy than people who follow AHA.  I'm just not 100% certain.
Except you didn't actually research the matter, as in a very basic internet search (despite your self-certification as a google-fu master).
Once again, your "think" has turned out to be wrong.
Bluffy, do you ever get tired of being humiliated by your own behavior?
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I don't have any octohatter data on lifespans of the indigenous people groups that price studied in the 1930s.  I suspect someone does somewhere but it would probably take quite a bit of digging.

Unsurprisingly that isn't what was asked for.

The much vauted Hawkins honesty strikes again.

As well as his much vaunted google-fu.