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Messages - VoxRat

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I've told you many times:
I'm here to observe the behavior of a raging narcissist, and to call him on his bullshit.
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The Soap Opera / Re: Moment of Silence
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  idgi
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I'm tied into two safety ropes.  What else do you want me to do? 
Support your contentions instead of badgering off each and every time?

What data is there that shows an all-animal food diet is healthier than, say, the diet recommended by the AHA?
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Pulling this forward past all the chaff...

 < clip slander, self-righteous self-stroking and platitudinous observations on private hobby-horsing we've all seen a hundred times >
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What makes you think it's a "natural" forest with no humans living in it? I would say that any forest with no humans  living in it is not natural at all.
You should explain this to your fellow ( ::) ) Saviors of the Planet, Savory and Shepard.
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Meanwhile, while the resident octohatters pontificate daily from their ivory towers on what great scientists they are and what crappy scientists the rest of us are ... especially us "shysters" like me and Allan Savory ... meanwhile ... we "shysters" are actually getting our hands dirty doing the real of work of Saving Agriculture ...
::)
This being a day ending in a 'y',  the Hawkins's theme of the day will be self-righteousness and delusions of adequacy.
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Who the hell do you think prunes the natural forest, Dave? Elves?
What makes you think it's a "natural" forest with no humans living in it? I would say that any forest with no humans  living in it is not natural at all.
Then you would be an idiot.
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    < clip the usual unsubstantiated bullshit about Price and Stefansson  >
You have presented no data on the health of people eating these diets.
As nearly as I can tell, they tended to die younger than typical western industrial populations, especially those adhering to an AHA recommended diet.
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This is why you remain stupid, Dave.

When you don't get something you laugh and dismiss it.  Sad.
He's become a cartoon of himself
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Lol

no rebuttal, amirite?
I guess it saves a lot of keystrokes over "Why, look, just look at how pathetic I am!"
Or even "I got nuthin'  :o "
Considering how often he finds himself in that position... Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Translation: I like burgers and I won't eat my broccoli. I won't, I won't , I won't, you can't make me!


Dave there are millions of vegetarians and vegans out there who have a perfectly healthy diet that includes no meat, no dairy, and no, or very few, animal products. You are an idiot.
Every "vegan" I've ever met has at least some animal products in their diets.
Every vegan I've ever met is really a vegan and eats no animal products.

Ditto. Why would they even claim to be vegan otherwise?  Makes no sense.
Well, in some cases, it's to get laid. Ya meets up with some hottie, it turns out theyz vegan, so, hey, youz vegan too! Letz get it on!!

Well, woe betide if they catch you sneaking a hamburger.
That's called an exit strategy.
So is this:
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So you really have no idea how healthy they were compared to, say, people following the AHA dietary recommendations.
Sure I do.  I think it's far more likely that they were more healthy than people who follow AHA.  I'm just not 100% certain.
You have no idea.
Your "I think" counts for exactly nothing.
All you have is what you want to believe.
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From the bits of anecdotal evidence I have read,
< clip rest of post based on useless "bits of anecdotal evidence I have read" >
Right.
You have no idea.
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I don't have any octohatter data on lifespans of the indigenous people groups that price studied in the 1930s.  I suspect someone does somewhere but it would probably take quite a bit of digging.
So you really have no idea how healthy they were compared to, say, people following the AHA dietary recommendations.
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You have a ways to go before you get your PhD in Truth Detection. One trick I would recommend is "CTRL-F" for the word "fat" and "fats" ... you'll find quite a few occurrences especially in Part 2. 
But the question is not "fats", but "SATURATED" fats. And your approach misses all the references to, say, seafood based diets, where the fats are mostly not saturated.

Also  -  use your Ctrl-F Powers to extract the typical life span of the groups that live exclusively off (terrestrial animal) fat.

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"pulling this forward", as I shall continue to do until Hawkins addresses the larger point.
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Many websites like this (LINK) one say that eating fish is better for you because it is lower in fat ...
No. Articles that I have seen (for instance this) recommend especially fatty fish, like salmon. Specifically for its lipid content, not because of its lack thereof.
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but these articles ignore "wild" land animal meats (Google Eatwild.com) which have the proper fatty acid balance. 

"the proper fatty acid balance" ::)

There are a lot of different properties of fatty acids (chain length, saturation, cis vs. trans, conjugation...).
I doubt that you have any data on any of these except a few instances of Ω-3 vs. Ω-6.
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Stefansson ate mostly saturated fat ... i.e. fat from meats ... this constituted something like 80% of his food calories during the Bellevue experiment.  He died at age 83 ... one website reported that he died of a stroke, but doesn't say whether it was ischemic or hemorhagic.
and, in any case, he is an experiment with N=1.
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You have a ways to go before you get your PhD in Truth Detection. One trick I would recommend is "CTRL-F" for the word "fat" and "fats" ... you'll find quite a few occurrences especially in Part 2. 
But the question is not "fats", but "SATURATED" fats. And your approach misses all the references to, say, seafood based diets, where the fats are mostly not saturated.
Also  -  use your Ctrl-F Powers to extract the typical life span of the groups that live exclusively off (terrestrial animal) fat.

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It's all through their writings. Have you read anything that either of them wrote?
I don't see much support for your assertions here.
Steffansson wrote about a marine-based diet, IIRC.  Nothing to do with what you're talking about.

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Not that I think there's any particular reason to value the opinions of either of these guys over the recommendations of the American Heart Association.
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Do you think that Stefansson or Price advocated a high saturated fat diet?
Pretty much yes.
A lot of studies - with lots of data - recommend avoiding a high saturated fat diet.
How do you decide which is right?
(And no, "years of honing my Truth Detection Skillz" is not an answer. )
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The $110 Billion Arms Deal Trump Just Signed With Saudi Arabia May Be Illegal
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A $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia that President Donald Trump announced Saturday would be illegal because of the Saudis' role in the ongoing conflict in Yemen, according to a legal analysis the Senate received Friday.
Though, of course, the Senate being under Trumpublican control, this sort of nicety is undoubtedly moot.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Such an embarrassment.