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And yes I do actually believe authors like Tim LaHaye who write about super rich secret cabals operating out of a castle somewhere in Europe who are trying to control the whole world.  I think they are making excellent progress toward that goal!
::) Oh, brother.  ::)
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Well I'm certain I won't be taken seriously by idiots like you.  What I'm hoping for is to be taken seriously by people who might actually participate with me, like the person signing up for my first COOP share.  Or like Cody Holmes who has a very large HMG operation in Southern Missouri and wants to explore my system for poverty stricken people in Central America.  Or like my radical gardening friend. 
I agree!
That's why I've always said get back to us when you've got your first dozen or so households signed up for Davetopia.
Till then, it's just Aesop's milkmaid, running her mouth.
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If you practiced "attention to detail" you would quote me accurately ...


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... your new hero Mark Shepard ...
::)   YOU are the only one here that does the Appeal to Authority, Hero-worship thing, Hawkins.
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Who the fuck cares what Josephus said?
He was a military man and a politician.
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But as I think we all agree, we would be wrong to build a life for ourselves that has lots of free time at the expense of enslaving or harming or exploiting others or damaging our environment. ( which is essentially exploiting our children and grandchildren )

Many cultures of the past have exploited both human beings and the environment to achieve a life of luxury for the few. In our modern society,  more people were able to achieve a life of luxury thanks to cheap fossil fuels.  But I am seeing that come to an end in the not-too-distant future for a variety of reasons. 
It can't be repeated often enough that this is the guy who enthusiastically supported Donald J. Trump to be president of the United States.  :ironicat:
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"Great.  So you now have two better metrics than Haugen's EROI."

No.

The latter IS Walter's EROI.

Well, if it is, why don't you specify which one it is? You keep posting EROI numbers without specify human vs fossil fuel.



The former  is something I have talked about for years.

 neither one is "better" than the other one. Both are necessary.

Yes, exactly.  So don't just keep posting undifferentiated "EROI" numbers as though they are meaningful.  It's like posting your weight without your height and expecting people to admire your slim figure.
Sorry.  Since everyone around here is so much smarter than me and so much better than me in science and reading, I figured you all were able to keep up with what I was talking about without me having to specifically break it down in pieces for you.

I stand corrected.

Henceforth herewith I will break everything down into bite-size pieces.
Such an ass.
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Condescending bullshit.

"I - Pingu, the high and mighty university professor who has had decades of experience in REAL science - commend you for that. Good for you, Little Man.  Someday you too can be like me!  I'm the teacher and you're the pupil so ... LEARN from that experience."
::)

Says the guy who's going to "teach the world" how to "save agriculture (and thereby the world)".
Because,  of course, nobody else worth mentioning has given any thought to this. 

The asymmetry.
It's stunning.
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Alabama Senate poll: Jones opens up lead over Moore
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Democrat Doug Jones has opened up an eight-point lead in the US Senate race in Alabama amid multiple sexual abuse allegations against Republican Roy Moore, according to a new Fox News poll released Thursday.

Jones leads Moore by 50 to 42% among likely voters in the special election ...
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I find it almost as hard to imagine Alabama electing a democrat senator as, 18 months ago, I found it hard to believe the US would elect Trump president.
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Why the fuck can't you use the quote function like anyone else?
It's the habitual quote-miner's instinctive preference for excising whatever he wants to misrepresent from its context.
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Including saturated fats with trans fats seems a bit wrong.
this is as close as we will ever get to testy calling out a fellow team member
::) 

The reason you (and Roy Moore) see every criticism as nothing other than "team loyalty" is that you (and Roy Moore) have created a lot of ill will towards yourselves by being complete assholes.
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Again I will say that there is no maintenance  at all with rotationally grazed hair sheep.  Unless you define "maintenance" differently then I have a defined it. To include things like moving fence every day, or introducing the rams  at the proper time, or sorting and selling.  Again, "maintenance" to me is things like administering worm medicine, trimming hooves or shearing.
So Joe Hopping is doing it wrong.
I trust you'll straighten him out.
"Work" is not the same thing as "maintenance."
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As far as I can tell, she's claiming that feeding hundreds of people via corn and soybean farming is "efficient."

BUT IT'S NOT

Not with an EROI of 0.10

That's horribly, horribly, horribly IN-efficient.
Though not as inefficient as feeding NO ONE*

* (other than yourself, partly).
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"I AM impressed with borealis and Testy, and several others who do seem to be doing an impressive job of feeding themselves and their families on sustainable locally produced food, including stuff they produce, or gather, themselves."

Of course you are because they are on your team  and they never call you out on your frequent bullshit.

 I do, so I'm the enemy.  You will never be impressed with anything I do no matter how good it is simply because I'm the enemy.
Sounds a lot like Roy Moore.
You a Roy Moore fan, Dave?
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Again I will say that there is no maintenance  at all with rotationally grazed hair sheep.  Unless you define "maintenance" differently then I have a defined it. To include things like moving fence every day, or introducing the rams  at the proper time, or sorting and selling.  Again, "maintenance" to me is things like administering worm medicine, trimming hooves or shearing.
So Joe Hopping is doing it wrong.
I trust you'll straighten him out.
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A "milk only" diet is a helluva lot better than a "fruit and nuts" only diet.
So you, baselessly, assert.
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Are there any reports of people curing themselves of ailments on "fruit and nut only" diets?   I don't think so.
Oh, I wouldn't be so sure...
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But there are reports of people curing themselves on "milk only" diets.
Oh, well then. I guess that settles it.  ::)

Have I mentioned recently how thoroughly you suck at science, Hawkins?
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"And assuming that an animal will be "no maintenance" - insisting that it is "no maintenance" is just silly.  Possibly nothing will go wrong.  But lots can. "

You think this because you have been brainwashed by Western  domestic farm animal thinking which is all about veterinary sales.
I think this because I watched my aunt actually, you know, DO it.

You just can't rein in that arrogance, can you?
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It's neither virtuous nor anything else, Dave.  But it's EFFICIENT.
I don't think it would be a good idea for us all to make our own Volvos, iPhones, solar panels and electric pianos, either.
Not really a question of "virtue".
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One of my goals  is to teach people how to feed themselves ( as opposed to hundreds of people ) sustainably with very little time expended while producing enough of an excess to feed family members  who cannot provide for themselves  such as young children or old people.
So you keep saying.
But - like your goal of housing the Aged P's in their very one Davetopia firetrap - the achievement of that goal seems forever over the horizon. :(
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Also the food that I am producing requires no processing or cooking at all. And it is very nearly a complete food from the perspective that people could live on my food alone for a very long time  before suffering from some deficiency.

 That is certainly not the case with the food that Mark Shepard produces which you are all of a sudden so enamored with.

 And Greg Judy is doing a fantastic job, but his food that he produces does require a great deal of processing and requires cooking as well. At least if you are a normal American.
lol

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Nobody does it better
Makes me feel sad for the rest
Nobody does it half as good as you
Baby, you're the best
I wasn't lookin' but somehow you found me
It tried to hide from your love light
But like heaven above me
The spy who loved me
Is keepin' all my secrets safe tonight
And nobody does it better
Though sometimes I wish someone could
Nobody does it quite the way you do
Why'd you have to be so good?
The way that you hold me
Whenever you hold me
There's some kind of magic inside you
That keeps me from runnin'
But just keep it comin'
How'd you learn to do the things you do?
Oh, and nobody does it better
Makes me feel sad for the rest
Nobody does it half as good as you
Baby, baby, darlin', you're the best
Baby you're the best
Darlin', you're the best
Baby you're the best
Oh, oh, oh

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None of us, so far as I can tell, is a big fan of mega-agra-biz.
But if you want to compare yourself to them, you need to take into account that they are actually feeding people (other than themselves).
You are not.
Deal with THAT.
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( and you arrogantly say you're not impressed with or whatever )
Says the guy who arrogantly (and ignorantly) dismissed my aunt's years of experience raising sheep.