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I can't help but notice that Dave never did tell us what really happened at Charlottesville...  :( 
Here's an interesting eyewitness account:

How I Became Fake News
I witnessed a terrorist attack in Charlottesville. Then the conspiracy theories began


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Did I actually have to worry that the president of the United States might launch an investigation against me because I happened to capture footage of a white supremacist terror attack and spoke publicly about what I saw? I realized I couldn't rule it out, and that frankly scares the hell out of me--for my family, but particularly for our country.

Over the past week, I've seen personally the very real damage that these conspiracy theories have on our public discourse. The danger is not necessarily that a large number of people will believe them in their entirety. Instead, it's that they muddy the waters on issues that should be about right and wrong. This is truly dangerous. If we are to get beyond this current acute manifestation of the cancer of American racism and begin to heal, the right must join with the left to excise the malignancy of white supremacy from our politics and society. Conspiratorial thinking and confusion on what is real make this much harder.

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By introducing doubt about what happened, even if their theories conflict with one another, these sites make it easier to argue that the Unite the Right rally was not just about white supremacy. In fact, we heard the president say that there were good people who were just there to defend Southern history and culture and peacefully protest removing the Robert E. Lee statue. Just as his equivocation and failure to condemn the alt-right enables and helps grow their twisted movement, the president's warm embrace of conspiracy theories, rejection of journalistic standards, and propagation of noncredible sources of information embolden and grow the numbers of Americans looking for another explanation besides the uncomfortable truth.

Sometimes the story is not complicated: Nazis are bad, and I just happened to witness one of them commit a terrorist attack. I didn't want the attention that came with having seen this horrific act, but I will continue to join the millions of Americans speaking out about its undeniable cause.

We need to stop reading and believing imaginary plots. And we all need to continue to speak out and act, both against white supremacy and the culture of conspiracy that has taken root in our country.

You see that Dave? We need to stop reading and believing imaginary plots.

We need to stop reading and believing imaginary plots
Unless this guy really was a CIA agent responsible for the whole thing...   :hmm:

If only there was someone with a PhD in Truth Detection around to help us out!
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Arts and Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones Season 7
this episode was super bad
:sadyes:

Ravens have fast travel too, apparently. Or those guys survived a couple of weeks on a tiny island with no food shelter or water in the freezing cold.

And I guess Jon's plan really was extremely dumb?? Now they have a dragon which is how they'll get through the wall.

And what the hell was benjen doing there? Ugh such bad writing.
No, its just that Westeros is only 60 miles across. 
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No. He never did.
Its too bad really.  There are some nutty as fuck conspiracy theories floating around.  I was looking forward to seeing which ones Dave would swallow without a second thought...   :sadcheer:
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I can't help but notice that Dave never did tell us what really happened at Charlottesville...  :(  
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I'm sure there is some dimension of chess >2 at work here, and David will explain it to us shortly.
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"Amirite?"

No.

"Uarong"
Not according to YOUR "logic". Which you wanted to school us on. You essentially SAID so, dave.

But feel free to show HOW I'm wrong. Start by telling us your interpretation of the events.
We've already established that Dave believes the organizer of the Rally was planted by "Somebody in the Shadows

Probably (((Soros)))?
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So what was this then, a Honey Pot to get pictures of White Nationalists acting badly?  Wasn't Trump a Democrat until a couple of years ago? And a Hillary Clinton supporter? 

Dave, what point is it that you wish to make about Kessler?    How does his former support of Obama and Occupy mean he can't be a White Supremacist now, as he himself claims? 
Dave?
I find it rather odd that he was a supporter of a black guy - Obama - and now all of a sudden he's a white supremacist.  Perhaps he's a paid agent for someone in the shadows?   And the "black guy support" and the "white supremacy" are just masks that he dons at his masters' bidding?
Were all the white supremacists who showed up also Shills?
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So what was this then, a Honey Pot to get pictures of White Nationalists acting badly?  Wasn't Trump a Democrat until a couple of years ago? And a Hillary Clinton supporter? 

Dave, what point is it that you wish to make about Kessler?    How does his former support of Obama and Occupy mean he can't be a White Supremacist now, as he himself claims? 
Dave?
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m

 ::)   From your own source:

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Kessler himself has placed his "red-pilling" around December of 2013 when a PR executive was publicly excoriated for a tasteless Twitter joke about AIDS in Africa.

Regarding the incident, Kessler stated "... so it was just a little race joke, nothing that big of a deal, she didn't have that many followers, she probably didn't think anybody was gonna see it,"

Regardless of Kessler's past politics, the rightward shift in his views was first put on display in November, 2016 when his tirade against Wes Bellamy began.

So what was this then, a Honey Pot to get pictures of White Nationalists acting badly?  Wasn't Trump a Democrat until a couple of years ago? And a Hillary Clinton supporter? 

Dave, what point is it that you wish to make about Kessler?    How does his former support of Obama and Occupy mean he can't be a White Supremacist now, as he himself claims? 
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Dave, go read the Wikipedia entry for Zero Hedge news, then come back and explain why you like Russian propaganda so much.
I'm willing to bet that Dave had never heard Kessler's name before and just reposted the first conspiracy theory he could find on Google. 
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m

 ::)   From your own source:

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Kessler himself has placed his "red-pilling" around December of 2013 when a PR executive was publicly excoriated for a tasteless Twitter joke about AIDS in Africa.

Regarding the incident, Kessler stated "... so it was just a little race joke, nothing that big of a deal, she didn't have that many followers, she probably didn't think anybody was gonna see it,"

Regardless of Kessler's past politics, the rightward shift in his views was first put on display in November, 2016 when his tirade against Wes Bellamy began.

So what was this then, a Honey Pot to get pictures of White Nationalists acting badly?  Wasn't Trump a Democrat until a couple of years ago? And a Hillary Clinton supporter? 
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But when the media continually, misleadingly refers to it as a "white nationalist" event, and repeatedly shows the one or two pictures of the handful of racists that showed up, it's no wonder people are believing it.

The organizer himself  (Jason Kassler) described it as a White Nationalist Rally.  You really need to pull your head out of your ass.
Oh? And what do you know about this Jason Kassler [sic] character?
::) I know what I've read about him.  What do your sources say?
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If I was thinking really really really kindly, I would think maybe Dave is ordinarily completely oblivious to the world outside his personal life, and therefore, except for the odd buzzword (MAGA! Libs!) penetrating his brain, osmotically as it were, he does not have clue 1 about what goes on outside his bubble. So he's faking it entirely from scratch in this thread.
He's watched enough Fox news and Breitbart to form an opinion.  Truth detected.  No further work neccesary.
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But when the media continually, misleadingly refers to it as a "white nationalist" event, and repeatedly shows the one or two pictures of the handful of racists that showed up, it's no wonder people are believing it.

The organizer himself  (Jason Kassler) described it as a White Nationalist Rally.  You really need to pull your head out of your ass.
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I'm kind of surprised that Dave, with his superhuman Googling skills, seems to be unaware that the counter-protesters had two permits for parks in within a couple of blocks of Emancipation park, where the "Unite the Right" rally was going to take place.   What about their Freedom of Speech?  Or is that different?

http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right
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Wow.  Dave really is everything that's wrong with this country, isn't he... 

Has he claimed that the Nazis were actually Socialists yet?
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Science / Re: Piggies really are quasi-primates
What happened to you Joe?  You used to be cool... :(  I haven't had a good Nemesis in years...  Now I just go in and work my nine to five in a well funded Ivy League lab and remember the good old days...
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Yeah, they might not have known it was treason...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


But the emails!
Buttery Males!
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Add to list of Heads Likely to Roll:

                                                                         Don Jr.
That whole family is the walking embodiment of the Narcissist's Prayer
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That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault. 
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did...
You deserved it.
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Science / Re: Piggies really are quasi-primates
This is the thread from old TR if anyone wants a walk down memory lane:

Part 1:  http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?t=21799
Part 2: http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?t=22217

ETA:  Lol.  http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?p=768259#post768259

ETA2:  Forgot this was from the same thread http://talkrational.org/archive/showthread.php?p=777499#post777499   I miss the old Joe...
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Science / Re: Piggies really are quasi-primates
https://phys.org/news/2015-09-hidden-evolutionary-relationship-pigs-primates.html
http://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/08/31/025791.full.pdf

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We  identified  and  characterized  a  free  PRE-1  element  inserted  into  the  promoter  region  of  the 
porcine  IGFBP7 gene  whose  integration  mechanisms  into  the  genome,  including  copy  number, 
distribution  preferences,  capacity  to  exonize  and  phyloclustering  pattern  are  similar  to  that  of  the 
primate  Alu  element.  98%  of  these  PRE-1  elements  also  contain  two  conserved  internal  AluI 
restriction enzyme recognition sites, and the RNA structure of PRE1 can be folded into a two arms
model like the Alu RNA structure. It is more surprising that the length of the PRE-1 fragments is
nearly  the  same  in  20  chromosomes  and  positively  correlated  to  its  fracture  site  frequency.  All  of 
these  fracture  sites  are  close  to  the  mutation  hot  spots  of  PRE-1  families,  and  most  of  these 
hot  spots  are  located  in  the  non-complementary  fragile  regions  of  the  PRE-1  RNA  structure. 
Sequence  homology  analysis  showed  that  the  PRE-1  element  seemed  to  share  a  common 
ancestor  7SL  RNA  with  primates  but  was  generated  by  different  evolutionary  model,  which 
suggests that the suidae may be the closest relatives to primates in laurasiatheria.
::)
Last two words are important.    Still a long way from laurasiatheria to primates.


An alternate hypothesis is that 7SL RNA evolved earlier than was previously thought and can be found outside of primates by structural conservation, rather than sequence conservation.   Would need to examine the genomes of more organisms in the tree to determine whether these evolved 7SL RNAs exist.  Probably harder than you think as assembling repeat sequences is a huge pain in the ass.  

Anyway, its 2017, Joe.  You don't need to propose nonsense like polyphyly as a rationalization for why you find farm animals so goddamned sexy.  Let your freak flag fly!


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As a sidenote:
If neognathous birds had an ascending process of the astragalus that would be evidence consistent with a dino to bird theory. But it does not have an ascending process of the astragalus. It has an ascending process of the calcaneum based on the intermedium. This is based on a developmental pathway resembling that of an amphibian and not at all like the pathway in dinosaurs.

The published material disagrees with you. I think it's safe to say we can safely disregard the unsupported ramblings of a B&B owner
Husband of a B&B owner, presumably.