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Schwinn Cobra (made up name)
-Schwinn Mountain 10 speeds
--Schwinn 10 speeds
---Schwinn bikes
----Bikes
-----Human powered land vehicles
------Powered land vehicles
-------Land Vehicles
--------Vehicles
---------Manufactured products
----------Manmade products
-----------Inanimate objects

Ok, teacher!  Grade my paper!

All "inanimate objects" are now "manmade products"
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Galaxies
-Spiral galaxies
--Barred spiral galaxies
---Milky Way galaxy
----Stars
-----Yellow dwarf stars
------Yellow dwarf stars with planets
-------Our Sun
--------Planet Earth
---------Natural objects
----------Manmade objects
-----------Made in factories
------------Vehicles
-------------Rolls
--------------Bicycle
---------------Schwinn 10 speed

What's wrong with this?
This thread is seven months old...  Dave is impenetrable.
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Selling windows to people who come into Sears wanting to buy windows...  Super impressive.
Not exactly. Someone cold calls potential customers. When they get a nibble, they send Dave out to the address. So yes the customer is pre-disposed to buy what is being sold by the time he gets there, but they haven't gone anywhere to ask for the item, typically.

That's how it has worked in my experience, at least.
Fair enough.  I don't recall him ever talking about outside sales.  :dunno:
He drives all over hell's half-acre (sustainably!), MO. I think he averages around 700 miles a week IIRC. The old Volvo died under the stress.
Heh.  Shows how closely I read this forum these days...
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Selling windows to people who come into Sears wanting to buy windows...   Super impressive.
Not exactly. Someone cold calls potential customers. When they get a nibble, they send Dave out to the address. So yes the customer is pre-disposed to buy what is being sold by the time he gets there, but they haven't gone anywhere to ask for the item, typically.

That's how it has worked in my experience, at least.
Fair enough.  I don't recall him ever talking about outside sales.   :dunno:
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He's at least more capable of producing coherent sentences.

I'd bet Dave would be as coherent as Trump if you were talking to him face to face or an interviewer where he couldn't hide like he can on the internet.
Lol ... that's why I do so poorly in sales. Oh wait.
Really?!?
Post your tax returns for the past couple of years or it's just more bullshit.
Selling windows to people who come into Sears wanting to buy windows...   Super impressive.
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Donald Trump thinks he invented the phrase 'priming the pump.'

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/donald-trump-priming-the-pump/
Donald Trump thinks he invented the phrase 'priming the pump.' That's telling.

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By Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 10:29 AM ET, Thu May 11, 2017

President Donald Trump walks from Marine One across the South Lawn to the White House in Washington, Sunday, May 7, 2017, as he returns from Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J.

There's a very odd -- and telling -- moment in President Donald Trump's interview with The Economist released Thursday morning. Here it is:
TRUMP: We have to prime the pump.
ECONOMIST: It's very Keynesian.
TRUMP: We're the highest-taxed nation in the world. Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event?
ECONOMIST: Priming the pump?
TRUMP: Yeah, have you heard it?
ECONOMIST: Yes.
TRUMP: Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven't heard it. I mean, I just...I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It's what you have to do.
From that same interview:
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The state governments are in much better position to, you know, help people. In terms of, you know, just the size, the mere size of it. But we're putting in $8bn and you're going to have absolute coverage. You're going to have absolute guaranteed coverage. You're going to have it if you're a person going in...don't forget, this was not supposed to be the way insurance works.
Oooh.  32 dollars per American per year...
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Insurance is, you're 20 years old, you just graduated from college, and you start paying $15 a month for the rest of your life and by the time you're 70, and you really need it, you're still paying the same amount and that's really insurance.
Surprise, surprise.  Trump has no idea how much health insurance costs, or how it works...
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... I may copy them into my permanent saved files at some point.  ... I will have to look for that paragraph as well and copy it into my permanent files.
Your "permanent files" must be a goldmine of tard.
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It works as long as we are not talking about 100% certainties.  We cannot be 100% certain about talking snake stories for example, because we have no corroboration from our experience.
This is the dumbest thing I'll read all day.
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Besides Jones, Greenberg keeps coming up in my reading on the topic of linguistics ... here's an interesting snippet from someone who is not a biblical literalist but who seems to give a bit more credence to Moses' writings than the mainstream ... I give kudos to anyone like that because I think the mainstream is batshit insane when it comes to evaluating the books of Moses ...

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In 1786 oriental scholar Sir William Jones, at that time a British judge in India, saw similarities between Sanskrit (a language of India), Greek and Latin which indicated: "a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar than could have been produced by accident."

Since 1786 the Indo-European language family has become the most-studied language group. It's now generally accepted that this group arose from an ancestral language called Proto-Indo-European about 7,000 years ago. At least forty other language families besides Indo-European (and maybe as many as 200) are now recognised. Within each family there is proof of common ancestry. However, links between the forty or so families have not been decisively demonstrated.

However, some "superfamilies" are being proposed. "Nostratic", for example, is defined as the superfamily which includes the language families of Indo-European, Hamitic, Semitic, Uralic, Altaic and (possibly) Korean.

The procedure of seeking "regular correspondences"- which are common attributes in sounds, words and grammar, or consistent differences - permits a few languages to be compared at one time. Conclusions and classifications are built up step by step. This is the "bottom up" approach of the historical linguists. The precision means that the "signal" fades beyond about 6,000 years ago and reconstruction of earlier language is not considered possible.

Joseph Greenberg (b.1914), of Stanford University, California, uses a different approach in classifying languages, called "multilateral comparison". It involves comparing many languages simultaneously and seeking similarities and patterns.

For example, the 25 major languages of modern Europe could be classified just by using their words for "one", "two", "three", "head", "eye", "ear", "nose", "mouth", "tooth". This is a "top down" approach which Greenberg suspects may eventually reach back 100,000 years to the Mother Tongue of all language groups - if there ever was one Mother Tongue.

In the l.950s Greenberg used his "multilateral comparison" to successfully classify African languages. More recently he classified 600 American Indian languages into three language families these being Eskimo-Aleut (of the extreme North of North America), Na-Dene (North West of North America), and Amerind (rest of North America plus South America). This classification has caused much debate since other linguists using the "bottom up" method insist on about 155 language families. (Lewin 1990) This difference chiefly accounts for my earlier statement estimating the language families between 40 and 200.

In effect Greenberg has unified, or believes he has unified, 3/4 of all language families into three superfamilies. These three superfamilies are believed to represent three ancient separate migrations from Asia into America.

The remaining 40 or so language families have also been tentatively grouped in various ways into six or eight superfamilies making about ten superfamilies in all.

One relevance of the classification battle between linguists is whether the tracing of language groups will stop at about 5000 BC or whether a single ancient Mother Tongue could potentially be uncovered. http://ed5015.tripod.com/BBabelLinguistics24.htm

Note in particular the bolded.  What I glean from this is that Greenberg has reduced the accepted number of families and it sounds like his goal is to see if he can uncover a single proto language.

My view is that he will never succeed in uncovering a single language but rather he will succeed in reducing the number of super families to perhaps 3 or 4 ... but not 1.

What is your view?  Is a single language a prediction of the ToE?  Or what?


^^^^^^
No.
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Jesus.  I need a new forum where people actually care about science and learning.  Also it would be nice to have some mods that help minimize the shit posting.
Here, let me get the door for you.
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Adolf Hitler adopted his own unique version of Flaming Radical Darwinism and look what happened to him.

Dave that's not just Godwin, that's a category error. You really are.getting desperate.
I wonder if Dave is aware of his hero Luther's opinions on Jews?  Every bad thing that has happened in the world is either Darwinism or Orwellian, apperently...
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Asymmetrical feathers have been associated with flight capability but are also found in species that do not fly, and their appearance was a major event in feather evolution. Among non-avialan theropods, they are only known in microraptorine dromaeosaurids. Here we report a new troodontid, Jianianhualong tengi gen. et sp. nov., from the Lower Cretaceous Jehol Group of China, that has anatomical features that are transitional between long-armed basal troodontids and derived short-armed ones, shedding new light on troodontid character evolution. It indicates that troodontid feathering is similar to Archaeopteryx in having large arm and leg feathers as well as frond-like tail feathering, confirming that these feathering characteristics were widely present among basal paravians. Most significantly, the taxon has the earliest known asymmetrical troodontid feathers, suggesting that feather asymmetry was ancestral to Paraves. This taxon also displays a mosaic distribution of characters like Sinusonasus, another troodontid with transitional anatomical features.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14972
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You should be embarrassed for thinking it's not real history.
I felt kind of bad about rekindling the S+F=P ridiculousness but it's been pretty illuminating.  This is why it's pointless to argue anything with Dave.  A grown man who think the tower of Babel myth actually happened... 
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I'm sure they're going to feel foolish once all the "winning" starts...
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Pro-Trump PAC rescinds endorsement, says White House failed on immigration

A political action committee that enthusiastically endorsed then-candidate Donald Trump in the election revoked its backing Tuesday, saying he has "caved" on most of the big promises he made on immigration.
...
"We were so hopeful that Donald Trump would be a man of his word because the campaign promises he made to Americans were the things America needs to do to survive and thrive, but unfortunately, Trump has made it clear he cannot be trusted on his most powerful campaign issue of stopping illegal immigration and amnesty," said William Gheen, the PAC's president.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/2/pro-trump-pac-rescinds-endorsement/

ETA: Shitty source, so here is Gatewaypundit for Dave's benefit: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/immigration-group-pulls-trump-endorsement-due-betrayal-immigration-promises/
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My favorite story from today:

Is Jared Kushner a Paid Protester? Because It Turns Out He's Gotten a Bunch of Money From George Soros

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/02/george_soros_trump_nemesis_is_jared_kushner_business_partner.html
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There is nothing wrong with oversimplification if it is used properly. We use an oversimplification every day when we say "the sun rises" and "the sun sets."

Yes.  And if you then use that model to try to understand why it sets earlier and rises later in winter, then your oversimplified model fails.

Trying to understand the evolution of Portuguese as the addition of Spanish and French would land you in similar trouble.  However, if all you want to convey is "there are a lot of frenchy words and pronunciations in Portuguese" then fine.

But wouldn't what I just wrote be less misleading than your stupid sciency-sounding equation?

The reason linguists have a specific word for languages that have formed by adding two other languages together, is that it really is a thing.  The classic evolutionary pathway is that it starts as a "pidgin" which is a deliberately constructed second (i.e. not native) language used so that two communities without a shared language can communicate.

Esperanto is a rather special case of a pidgin, but many others have emerged more naturally.  But until a language is learned as a first language by a community of speakers, linguists don't tend to regard it as a "language" - it is no person's "mother tongue". 

But sometimes pidgins do become the mother tongue of a new generation of speakers.  The result is what is called a "creole".  Creoles often have vocabulary from both parent language, as well as words that belong to neither, but are derived from on or the other or both.  They often have quite complex grammar, but are typically not heavily inflected (which are features that support the argument that English is a creole - Old English and Norman French).

Portuguese, like the other Romance language is heavily inflected (as is the parent language, Latin).  This is just one feature of Portuguese that indicates that it is NOT a creole.

That it is NOT, in other words, a "mixture" of Burgundian French and Castilian.    As Kinkade explicitly said.

Yet, Trump -like, you took that explicit rebuttal of your claim as support.
I've never met anybody more skilled at putting lipstick on a pig [bad logic] than you.  You don't just put lipstick on it. You dress it up in a stunning prom dress and drive it around in a limo  and somehow get all the guys to dance with it. 

You are really good.
From the guy who thinks living in a hovel in the woods and dragging goats around a field is "saving agriculture"  ::)
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Article from Science Based Medicine on the woman featured in Dave's story.   She parrots some of the same bullshit that he does, so I'm not surprised it's love at first sight.  
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Ya know ... they went to university for 6 - 8 years so they MUST know better than all the rest of us plebes.
Yes. Actually people who study a subject at university for 6 - 8 years pretty much invariably DO know that subject better than people who have never cracked an elementary text on it.
But does 6-8 years of university stack up against mismanaging a pair of goats, and running (by his own admission) at least two businesses into the ground?
I always enjoy hearing Dave post about his business "successes"  from his ramshackle hovel in the woods.
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Meanwhile, while all those "Obamagate" heads are rolling (lol):

UK was given details of alleged contacts between Trump campaign and Moscow
Those limey bastards!  How dare they wiretap Trump!
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/28/jeff-sessions-recusal-michael-flynn-investigation-237736

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday that his recusal from Justice Department investigations into the 2016 campaign for president will extend into inquiries into the activities of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, under fire for his ties to foreign governments.
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Trump picks a pointless fight with a key ally at the wrong time

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Donald Trump had already taken unnecessary steps to alienate South Korea, a key U.S. ally. The American president said he'd already dispatched an "armada," led by an aircraft carrier, towards the peninsula, when in reality, he hadn't. Trump added insult to injury by declaring, falsely, that the Korean Peninsula "used to be a part of China."

For reasons that don't appear to make any sense, Trump is apparently trying to make matters worse. The Washington Post reported:
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President Trump threatened to terminate the U.S. trade agreement with South Korea in an interview Thursday night, declaring that the five-year-old accord with a key ally was "a horrible deal" that has left America "destroyed."

During an Oval Office interview about trade policy in North America, Trump served notice that he is looking to disrupt an important partnership in the tumultuous Asia-Pacific region as well -- even with Seoul on edge because of North Korea's escalating military provocations.

Of course the orange moron hasn't a clue what is in that agreement.
South Korea was once part of China in the same sense that Portuguese is a mixture of Spanish and French.
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So you guys are biased as hell against my goat system just based upon your own  uninformed speculation. You have no appreciation for the experimental process involved in creating something new for rabbits - a mobile colony which I'm not sure has ever been done by anyone anywhere.   And you are freaking out over my loss of a piglet which was an honest mistake due to brand new experimental systems.

So not only do you guys suck at science yourselves, but you are total hypocrites because you accuse me of sucking at science while committing even worse scientific misdeeds than I do.

In short, you are complete assholes.

And it's good that I'm finding this out. Because 11 years ago I was under the impression that people with advanced science degrees were generally decent human beings.  Boy was I wrong!
If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.