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Meep - that policy is both consistent and not, in itself, obviously abusable, and I don't see a reasonable objection to it. It's not automatically a free speech problem that not everyone can go to a campus at any time with no sponsorship.

The point I'm making is that the policy borealis seems to be proposing is abusable - make a speaker controversial, and they're restricted from campus. And that problem applies both to Milo and to civil rights speakers.

I don't know the entire UCB budget, so I don't know how much money it has to support security fees for speakers. I think I'd be okay with a policy along the lines of "each club gets security money each year proportional to the number of members" or something similar, and the club gets to choose how that money is distributed among speakers. If enough were allocated that a typical club would have enough for its speakers, this would be a decent policy that provided for security, wouldn't provide an excuse for the university to prevent speakers, and would prevent bankrupting the university. It would be subject to abuse from people trying to make the speakers cost too much, but I think that by itself is an intractable problem.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by timewave -
Remember, scum can final vote themselves as a ploy to look innocent.

On the other hand, I have no way of knowing if I am sane or not.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by timewave -
Nine players in the game, we need 5 final votes to call it a day.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by borealis -
Okay.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by timewave -
wait we had enough final votes to do a majority lynch?



No, only three, nostrum is just overexcited.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by timewave -
Ok what is an insane cop? I have seen a few weird variations but never played with an insane cop before?

Just got back a bit ago reading up long story lets just say almost 3 hours outside walmart waiting for a cab that never showed, and finally found out they had another one in town and went with them got home and they treated me very well so they have a new customer <3

An insane cop gets wrong reads on people, for example, my read on MZ is he is a witch.
If I am a sane cop, then that is a sane read and MZ is a witch.
If I am an insane cop, then MZ is not a witch. I have got an opposite read on him.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by rachmarie -
wait we had enough final votes to do a majority lynch?

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You will never have a solution where absolutely everybody can go to any campus at any time and say whatever they want. To allow a public university to spend $600,000 on a single fucking speech when actual academic programs are on the chopping block is obscene. Extracurricular speeches are part of a university education, but people overestimate their value in these conversations. Guest lectures from outside speakers are not the foundation of a university education and don't justify the kinds of expenses we're seeing. I don't give a fuck who's doing the speaking or what they're saying and I don't give a fuck whose fault it is that security costs are high. Public schools should set a reasonable budget that doesn't involve shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a single person and should stick to it and not let the public at large use their institution to play out these idiotic fucking culture wars. The damage done by saying welp it's too expensive to have Yolo Minneapolis come speak is less than the damage done by eliminating the fucking French department to save the $1 million you had to spend for his dumbass one time lecture that a small fraction of the student body even attended.

Anyway, this is particularly annoying because at my school, we can only really bring in guest speakers if student clubs have enough money in their bank accounts to pay speaking fees and travel expenses, unless they happen to find someone local willing to do it for free. Clubs raise money themselves and get a small budget from the student chapter of the trade organization (to which students pay a membership fee), but if we don't have the money, then, welp, they're not coming. Whatever happened to free speech? And this vital part of our education that cannot possibly be dispensed with no matter the cost? Where are the people yelling at the wider university to just pay for it themselves and stop denying us from hearing a wide range of ideas? If a group wants a speaker to come to campus, then the university has to make it happen or it's censorship, isn't it?

Also lol of course: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/22/college-free-speech-violence-survey-junk-science

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John Villasenor, a professor of electrical engineering at the University of California Los Angeles, defended his survey as an important window into what he had called a troubling atmosphere on American campuses in which "freedom of expression is deeply imperiled". Villasenor, a cybersecurity expert, said this was the first public opinion survey he had conducted.

However, his survey was not administered to a randomly selected group of college students nationwide, what statisticians call a "probability sample". Instead, it was given to an opt-in online panel of people who identified as current college students.

"If it's not a probability sample, it's not a sample of anyone, it's just 1,500 college students who happen to respond," Zukin said, calling it "junk science".

"It's an interesting piece of data," Michael Traugott, a polling expert at the University of Michigan's Center for Political Studies, said. "Whether it represents the proportion of all college students who believe this is unknown."
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by nostrum -
bor, the day is over
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Last post by rachmarie -
Ok what is an insane cop? I have seen a few weird variations but never played with an insane cop before?

Just got back a bit ago reading up long story lets just say almost 3 hours outside walmart waiting for a cab that never showed, and finally found out they had another one in town and went with them got home and they treated me very well so they have a new customer <3