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I read about Joel's "400 cow day" pasture in one of his books ... can't remember which one ... doesn't matter ... you guys won't believe it anyway.  I've gotten what I needed from this convo ... a nice review of the land area and labor required for "feeding the world with plant foods" ... contrasted with doing the same with animal foods.

IF ... I am correct about being able to produce as much as 2 million food calories per acre of "Joel Salatin" pasture, then to me, there is no contest at all between the two systems.  Animal food systems win hands down.  Not to mention that diets based on (wild) animal foods are more healthy for human consumption.

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Not that I am convinced that my ideas will go mainstream either. But I do think there's a better chance.
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I do feel that it's a definite possibility based on some pretty good information coming from an extremely reliable guy, Joel Salatin..
[Citation required]
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It's true, Raffy,  that I have not personally achieved 1.5 million cal per acre with a dairy cow.  But we are not talking about what I have personally achieved. We are talking about possibilities.  This part of the conversation began because Pingu was saying that my ideas for feeding the world are stupid and that her ideas are better.  So we were debating that.
We are also talking about what has been achieved, which is much more convincing the your delusions.
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Well, just like you, I have my areas of expertise that are an actual reality but  producing 1.5 million cal per year on a single acre of pasture is not one of them.  Maybe someday.

But ...

I do feel that it's a definite possibility based on some pretty good information coming from an extremely reliable guy, Joel Salatin.

So I think it is quite likely that your claim is wrong that feeding the world with plant foods is somehow more efficient  than feeding the world with animal foods. Questions of land area aside, it's certainly more work as reported by Walter Haugen.  Which might partially explain why "feeding the world via gardening" is failing to go mainstream.  Not that I am convinced that my ideas will go mainstream either. But I do think there's a better chance.
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What's amazing is the ridicule I receive for "sucking at science" ... but then I have to spoon feed you people. Smh

You are so narcissistic that you cannot even understand that when we ask you to explain your claims,, we are seeking information about WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING, not about reality.

You are the last person anyone would go to to find out something about reality.

Why?  Because you suck at science.

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This thread is funny. Dave just seems to be pulling numbers from anywhere that suits him, without even a basic consideration as to whether they are measured the same way, or even the same thing. Pyramidiology mk2 :D
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can you translate that into american russian?

Vodka, perestroika, Checkov

Anton or Pavel?

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Raffy.

Two things.

1) Number of hours to produce 2 million kcal
2) Energy expended to produce 2 million kcal

Ok?

Answer to (1) is approx 2000

Answer to (2) is approx 125 kcal X 2000 = 250,000 kcal + gas energy used in his tiller

Got it?

Answer to 1 was clear. It was never in doubt. Though it seems like a whole lot of time spent gardening. Yes, it was a bit more than an acre but still. I'd think with that intense an effort, he'd have produced a lot more.

As to 2, where did you get the numbers? And why were you using 1000kcal per hour for his energy expense when now you are using 125kcal/hour? That's 1/8th the value you were touting previously. Were you wrong previously or are you wrong now? Ya see, Bluffy, if you'd clearly state where you get your figures and provide clear links to such, we wouldn't have to drag it out of you piece by piece.
Good God.  I'll try again at straightening you out tomorrow. Right now I'm going to bed.