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Science / Re: A blue halo
Last post by VoxRat -
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"Joel Salatin's 400 cow day pasture is BS"
I don't believe anyone has posted that, But, whatever flies your fantasies.

I have question that figure because it's much higher than a general average of quoted sources I've found.

Maybe.
  Yes, maybe. Because all we have is your report of supposed Salatin's report. No original source data.

But I doubt it.
Your doubt is of little consequence. You have negative credibility, Bluffy. NEGATIVE!! 

What is it with you and your abhorrence of measurements and records?

I've been to his farm and it's some pretty amazing pasture
  As has been noted, your credibility is NEGATIVE. Your subjective opinion on anything can and should be ignored.

and it didn't happen overnight.
  I fail to see what relevance that has, could you explain? I mean, the Kim family in NK have been at it for more than a couple of nights.

He's been working at it for 30 years or more.
  The KIm family has been at it for more than 50 years.

"Walter Haugen  does not need one additional acre for compost making to supply a 1 acre garden."
  Probably not. As has been noted. Do you have any data to the contrary?

Maybe he doesn't. I don't know for sure
  You certainly do not know, either for sure or elsewise, unless and until you post data that says he does. Repeated assertions that he might are meaningless.

, but I know for sure he adds stuff to his garden every year
  That's not at issue and pretty much irrelevant. I know for sure you are a YEC. So what does that have to do with the fact he adds stuff to his garden every year. Unless you know what he adds and in what quantities. Which you don't.

and it has to come from someplace
BRILLIANT!

  and I'm pretty sure that the nonedible portions of his plants is not enough.
  Your pretty sure is meaningless. Do you know what he adds and how much? Yes or No? If you do, post it. If you don't, drop the claim or suggestion of a claim.

  And if it's compost that he is adding then it requires about two parts brown material to one part green material and I am pretty sure the brown material has to come from trees.
That "pretty sure" again.  Meaningless.

However, trees are not the only source of brown material, though they are a root source of the wood and wood products that comprise a majority of brown material. There's also shit, of all kinds. And Fungus. And kitchen wastes. And coffee grounds. And lots and lots of bushes and shrubs and other material that is brown. Best of all, it's usually free, sometimes you can even get paid to take it away. And, as noted, once you get your soil up to an optimum SOM, it doesn't take much to keep it there. A lot of it just grows there naturally.
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"Joel Salatin's 400 cow day pasture is BS"

Maybe. But I doubt it.  I've been to his farm and it's some pretty amazing pasture and it didn't happen overnight. He's been working at it for 30 years or more.

"Walter Haugen  does not need one additional acre for compost making to supply a 1 acre garden."

Maybe he doesn't. I don't know for sure, but I know for sure he adds stuff to his garden every year and it has to come from someplace  and I'm pretty sure that the nonedible portions of his plants is not enough. 

What makes you think this?

And if it's compost that he is adding then it requires about two parts brown material to one part green material and I am pretty sure the brown material has to come from trees.

No, it doesn't HAVE to come from "brown material".  And the "brown material" doesn't have to come from trees.  What that Rule of Thumb means is that you shouldn't add to much fully hydrated material, or the thing will get claggy and there won't be enough oxygen for the aerobic bacteria.  If you tend to produce much more green waste than brown waste then just let some of the green stuff dry off before adding it to the heap.  Thats easy if you've got stuff like bean vines as part of your material.  It's harder if you've mainly got lawn clippings (which is true of a lot of ornamental gardeners).

Dave: please answer this: WHY are you so sure that the amount of compost you can get from the non-edible portions of your crop won't be "enough"?

Enough for what?  What do you think the compost is doing?

Hint: it's [mostly] not FEEDING the plants.  The sun does that.
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"Joel Salatin's 400 cow day pasture is BS"

Maybe. But I doubt it.  I've been to his farm and it's some pretty amazing pasture and it didn't happen overnight. He's been working at it for 30 years or more.

"Walter Haugen  does not need one additional acre for compost making to supply a 1 acre garden."

Maybe he doesn't. I don't know for sure, but I know for sure he adds stuff to his garden every year and it has to come from someplace  and I'm pretty sure that the nonedible portions of his plants is not enough.  And if it's compost that he is adding then it requires about two parts brown material to one part green material and I am pretty sure the brown material has to come from trees.
Hawkinzscience, ladies and gents.
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"Joel Salatin's 400 cow day pasture is BS"

Maybe. But I doubt it.  I've been to his farm and it's some pretty amazing pasture and it didn't happen overnight. He's been working at it for 30 years or more.

"Walter Haugen  does not need one additional acre for compost making to supply a 1 acre garden."

Maybe he doesn't. I don't know for sure, but I know for sure he adds stuff to his garden every year and it has to come from someplace  and I'm pretty sure that the nonedible portions of his plants is not enough. 

What makes you think this?

And if it's compost that he is adding then it requires about two parts brown material to one part green material and I am pretty sure the brown material has to come from trees.

No, it doesn't HAVE to come from "brown material".  And the "brown material" doesn't have to come from trees.  What that Rule of Thumb means is that you shouldn't add to much fully hydrated material, or the thing will get claggy and there won't be enough oxygen for the aerobic bacteria.  If you tend to produce much more green waste than brown waste then just let some of the green stuff dry off before adding it to the heap.  Thats easy if you've got stuff like bean vines as part of your material.  It's harder if you've mainly got lawn clippings (which is true of a lot of ornamental gardeners).

Dave: please answer this: WHY are you so sure that the amount of compost you can get from the non-edible portions of your crop won't be "enough"?

Enough for what?  What do you think the compost is doing?
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Lol
Quote from: Dave Hawkins
Why do you waste the bandwidth to basically say "nuh uh"? Why don't you just use this post to explain yourself?
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"Walter Haugen  does not need one additional acre for compost making to supply a 1 acre garden."

Maybe he doesn't. I don't know for sure, but I know for sure he adds stuff to his garden every year and it has to come from someplace  and I'm pretty sure that the nonedible portions of his plants is not enough.   And if it's compost that he is adding then it requires about two parts brown material to one part green material and I am pretty sure the brown material has to come from trees.
IOW you made up all that fantasy bullshit.

So your "comparison" is meaningless.
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Science / Re: A blue halo
Last post by socrates1 -
Another video of the intelligence of Nature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4w5xYLwiU&t=1520s
So Nature is intelligent. Science is slowly documenting that intelligence.
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 5
Last post by divagreen -
I hate confirmation bias but after doing nothing all game 'suddenly' LD is using his vote to pressure peeps.
Well, you just confirmed your scummy behavior with that post.   I can only hope the vig/sk takes you out. 
Not looking good LD.
Yup, you and your scum/dumb buddies are winning the day.


@ tw

are you seeing what I am seeing
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 5
Last post by laughing dog -
I hate confirmation bias but after doing nothing all game 'suddenly' LD is using his vote to pressure peeps.
Well, you just confirmed your scummy behavior with that post.   I can only hope the vig/sk takes you out. 
Not looking good LD.
Yup, you and your scum/dumb buddies are winning the day.