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Ezra Klein (and apparently also David brooks) plugs the theory that the aca repeal & replace effort is designed to fail (!)

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/10/14872916/republican-health-plan-designed-to-fail-ahca

fascinating, if true.

I'm well under 50% convinced, though.  I am not even comfortable assuming this will fail.  and if it does fail, I don't think you need the conspiratorial assumption that it was designed to, to explain it.
I posted something about that theory a few days ago.  I'm far from convinced either, but it sure does fit the known facts.
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- iirc, gunnerj hates bullet points
nah

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Here's something else to watch, and to call your representatives about.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/house-republicans-would-let-employers-demand-workers-rsquo-genetic-test-results/

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A little-noticed bill moving through Congress would allow companies to require employees to undergo genetic testing or risk paying a penalty of thousands of dollars, and would let employers see that genetic and other health information.
Giving employers such power is now prohibited by legislation including the 2008 genetic privacy and nondiscrimination law known as GINA. The new bill gets around that landmark law by stating explicitly that GINA and other protections do not apply when genetic tests are part of a "workplace wellness" program.

The bill was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed. It has been overshadowed by the debate over the House GOP proposal to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, but the genetic testing bill is expected to be folded into a second ACA-related measure containing a grab-bag of provisions that do not affect federal spending, as the main bill does.

"What this bill would do is completely take away the protections of existing laws," said Jennifer Mathis, director of policy and legal advocacy at the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, a civil rights group. In particular, privacy and other protections for genetic and health information in GINA and the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act "would be pretty much eviscerated," she said.

jesus fucking christ

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Employers got virtually everything they wanted for their workplace wellness programs during the Obama administration. The ACA allowed them to charge employees 50 percent more for health insurance if they declined to participate in the "voluntary" programs, which typically include cholesterol and other screenings; health questionnaires that ask about personal habits including plans to get pregnant; and sometimes weight loss and smoking cessation classes. And in rules that Obama's Equal Employment Opportunity Commission issued last year, a workplace wellness program counts as "voluntary" even if workers have to pay thousands of dollars more in premiums and deductibles if they don't participate.

Despite those wins, the business community chafed at what it saw as the last obstacles to unfettered implementation of wellness programs: the genetic information and the disabilities laws. Both measures, according to congressional testimony last week by the American Benefits Council, "put at risk the availability and effectiveness of workplace wellness programs," depriving employees of benefits like "improved health and productivity." The Council represents Fortune 500 companies and other large employers that provide employee benefits. It did not immediately respond to questions about how lack of access to genetic information hampers wellness programs.

Rigorous studies by researchers not tied to the $8 billion wellness industry have shown that the programs improve employee health little if at all. An industry group recently concluded that they save so little on medical costs that, on average, the programs lose money. But employers continue to embrace them, partly as a way to shift more health care costs to workers, including by penalizing them financially.

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Workplace wellness sounds like a great Orwellian term.

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it's crazy how they'd be up in arms if THE GOVERNMENT tried this shit, but oh, your boss, at the job you need to support yourself? suck it up, snowflake!

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evidently even breitbart news thinks Trumpcare won't pass.

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- iirc, gunnerj hates bullet points
nah
- are
- you
- sure?
bullet points, not dashes, not commas, not parentheses, not elephants, not penises, not triangles, not little squares, not rabbits, not little books, not explosions, not irregular bubbles ... ...
bullet points, you know, round holes or something that looks like them.
Are we there yet?

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my dashes are pre-op bullet points

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  • bullet
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oh damn elkarte makes little squares.

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Here's something else to watch, and to call your representatives about.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/house-republicans-would-let-employers-demand-workers-rsquo-genetic-test-results/

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A little-noticed bill moving through Congress would allow companies to require employees to undergo genetic testing or risk paying a penalty of thousands of dollars, and would let employers see that genetic and other health information.
Giving employers such power is now prohibited by legislation including the 2008 genetic privacy and nondiscrimination law known as GINA. The new bill gets around that landmark law by stating explicitly that GINA and other protections do not apply when genetic tests are part of a "workplace wellness" program.

The bill was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed. It has been overshadowed by the debate over the House GOP proposal to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, but the genetic testing bill is expected to be folded into a second ACA-related measure containing a grab-bag of provisions that do not affect federal spending, as the main bill does.

"What this bill would do is completely take away the protections of existing laws," said Jennifer Mathis, director of policy and legal advocacy at the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, a civil rights group. In particular, privacy and other protections for genetic and health information in GINA and the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act "would be pretty much eviscerated," she said.

jesus fucking christ

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Employers got virtually everything they wanted for their workplace wellness programs during the Obama administration. The ACA allowed them to charge employees 50 percent more for health insurance if they declined to participate in the "voluntary" programs, which typically include cholesterol and other screenings; health questionnaires that ask about personal habits including plans to get pregnant; and sometimes weight loss and smoking cessation classes. And in rules that Obama's Equal Employment Opportunity Commission issued last year, a workplace wellness program counts as "voluntary" even if workers have to pay thousands of dollars more in premiums and deductibles if they don't participate.

Despite those wins, the business community chafed at what it saw as the last obstacles to unfettered implementation of wellness programs: the genetic information and the disabilities laws. Both measures, according to congressional testimony last week by the American Benefits Council, "put at risk the availability and effectiveness of workplace wellness programs," depriving employees of benefits like "improved health and productivity." The Council represents Fortune 500 companies and other large employers that provide employee benefits. It did not immediately respond to questions about how lack of access to genetic information hampers wellness programs.

Rigorous studies by researchers not tied to the $8 billion wellness industry have shown that the programs improve employee health little if at all. An industry group recently concluded that they save so little on medical costs that, on average, the programs lose money. But employers continue to embrace them, partly as a way to shift more health care costs to workers, including by penalizing them financially.

IT'S TIME FOR GUILLOTINES
It's been that time for a while.
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oh damn elkarte makes little squares.
CSS.
Code: [Select]
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    text-align: left;
    list-style-type: square;
}
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  • bullet
  • points?

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Love them.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Not that this has anything to do with bullet points or anything but...
Palin slams GOP healthcare plan
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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) slammed House Republicans' healthcare proposal on Saturday, predicting that President Trump "will step in an fix it."
:rofl:
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Sarah has long since removed all doubt.
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@ bullet
@ points??

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Not that this has anything to do with bullet points or anything but...
Palin slams GOP healthcare plan
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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) slammed House Republicans' healthcare proposal on Saturday, predicting that President Trump "will step in an fix it."
:rofl:
RINOcare is actually a catchy name. So the plan is that the buck stops with Ryan-the-RINO...

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  • bullet
  • points?
Naughty Raven. You're supposed to edit the CSS, not put inline styles in the templates. :p

Code: (Find in index.css) [Select]
.bbc_list {
    text-align: left;
    list-style-type: square;
}
Code: (Replace in index.css) [Select]
.bbc_list {
    text-align: left;
    list-style-type: circle;
}
Inline styles are so 90's.
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For those who were wondering at what point Trumpkins will wake up...

Trump supporters in the heartland fear being left behind by GOP health plan

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Janice Phelps, a 60-year-old disabled factory worker in Evansville, Indiana, knows how expensive healthcare is.

Each month, shots for her severe asthma cost $3,000. Quarterly injections for knee pain cost $3,200. Medication for depression costs $900. She has had seven back surgeries, two shoulder surgeries, and two knee surgeries since 1985. The largest public health programs in America - Medicaid and Medicare, which aid the poor and the elderly - paid for nearly all of it.

Yet those programs are now threatened by the men she voted for: Donald Trump and former Indiana governor Mike Pence.

"I'm all in favor of repealing it," she said about Republicans' push to do away with the Affordable Care Act (ACA), popularly known as Obamacare. But, she said, when you talk about cutting Medicaid: "I don't agree with that at all."

Dramatic changes to Medicaid - the scheme to help poorer Americans get healthcare - are just part of the reforms in a Republican bill leaders are trying to force through Congress at lightning speed. However, since it was introduced last Monday, the American Health Care Act has met opposition from the left, significant sections of the Republican party, and a slate of doctor, hospital and patient associations. It's been called a "legislative orphan appealing to no one".

Though Phelps said she would support Trump even if it passed, she is upset by the idea of Medicaid cuts.
She probably doesn't even understand what the ACA is, just that "Obamacare bad".
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Why is it Ryancare? Surely it's Trumpcare?
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