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With stuff like this, I always try and imagine the society that occurs as an end result (assuming no intervention). I often look to distopian films as a way to summarise my opinion.

Dredd (2012) is too socialist for this budget.
Snowpiercer is a better approximation. Separate the poor from the rich, and let the poor starve.

Given that workers are less and less necessary to production due to automation and robotics, there are basically two options for capitalism: UBI and eugenics.  I think as a class, they'll do what they can get away with.  Class war grows ever nearer to war for survival.

I've always assumed the .01% wouldn't get away with starving the 99.99% -- that the rest of us wouldn't just lie down and let the oligarchs starve billions to death.

The willingness of Trumpists in their MAGA hats to do just that makes me feel like I've been overly optimistic.

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Been thinking bout UBI lately and can see a couple of interesting effects that maybe haven't been considered a lot and would make cons heads explode. Basically a ubi would provide equal if barely adequate ability for every single person to exercise self determination. I.E. wimmenz and browns. That could be a bigger roadblock than the "we couldn't possibly give money to lowlife bludgers, get off your arses, all unemployed should be shot" crowd. Mind you they are probably the same crowd.
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With stuff like this, I always try and imagine the society that occurs as an end result (assuming no intervention). I often look to distopian films as a way to summarise my opinion.

Dredd (2012) is too socialist for this budget.
Snowpiercer is a better approximation. Separate the poor from the rich, and let the poor starve.

Given that workers are less and less necessary to production due to automation and robotics, there are basically two options for capitalism: UBI and eugenics.  I think as a class, they'll do what they can get away with.  Class war grows ever nearer to war for survival.

I've always assumed the .01% wouldn't get away with starving the 99.99% -- that the rest of us wouldn't just lie down and let the oligarchs starve billions to death.

The willingness of Trumpists in their MAGA hats to do just that makes me feel like I've been overly optimistic.
the trick is to make security/military jobs pay well.
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What's amazing about this shitty proposal is how blatant its class warfare is. It's like someone sat down and thought, hrm, what's the best way to completely and utterly fuck the rural "forgotten" voters who helped put Trump into office? Beyond the expected attacks on things like the arts/humanities and programs that help poor people and children in cities, there's all that extra shit in there attacking the manufacturers, coal miners, farmers, etc. that were proudly wearing their idiot MAGA caps.

all the republican congresspeople commenting on the budget are politely suggesting they're going to edit this liberally

phew, well it's a good thing we can trust the GOP to defend the poor and disadvantaged from these harsh cuts.
most of them, no, but it only takes a few defectors in the senate to kill any one bill.

also, even if they're all assholes, just in different ways, this infighting keeps them from getting asshole things done.

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With stuff like this, I always try and imagine the society that occurs as an end result (assuming no intervention). I often look to distopian films as a way to summarise my opinion.

Dredd (2012) is too socialist for this budget.
Snowpiercer is a better approximation. Separate the poor from the rich, and let the poor starve.

Given that workers are less and less necessary to production due to automation and robotics, there are basically two options for capitalism: UBI and eugenics.  I think as a class, they'll do what they can get away with.  Class war grows ever nearer to war for survival.

I've always assumed the .01% wouldn't get away with starving the 99.99% -- that the rest of us wouldn't just lie down and let the oligarchs starve billions to death.

The willingness of Trumpists in their MAGA hats to do just that makes me feel like I've been overly optimistic.
the trick is to make security/military jobs pay well.

No. The trick is to make security & military jobs pay 'enough', where 'enough' has to be a little bit more than what poor people get. Then just let the naturally thuggish side of humanity fill the positions, MAGA hats and all.

They'll be happy because they have more than the people they can beat up on, and their bosses will be happy because they are cheap.

In addition, making them cheap and expendable means they'll do all sorts of nasty to keep their jobs.

Too cynical?
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It's what plants crave.

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this budget is actually brilliant tbh

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How so?
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like, if you wanted to make sure you could do at least some evil in a lot of different areas, an all-out blitz like this that forces the opposition to fight on so many fronts that they can't stop everything is a good opening move.

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Hmm.
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keep in mind here that i'm not denying that it's evil, but i have to grudgingly admit that it is probably a pretty effective program for evil given that it sets the opening bid so fucking high in so many places that even a haggled-down version is just straight up pure malice.

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Yeah. I guess it just continues to amaze me that his head is still attached to his body.
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otoh the House is just going to write their own budget anyway, which probably won't pass the House and would be DOA in the Senate due to a filibuster, and we'll keep running on continuing resolutions for years to come because our government is functionally broken.

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here's hoping

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I forget which twitter journo it was so I can't find the link, but they said they've already received more emails from Republicans expressing concerns over Trump's budget than Democrats so that shit is dead dead dead.

eta: the freedom caucus is full of true believer morons, but there are plenty of not-100%-crazy/evil House republicans who aren't going to vote for "shoot myself in the dick ten times" measures. Republicans from Great Lakes states aren't going to vote to completely defund a bunch of Great Lakes projects because their constituents (including business interests) would be pissed off.

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what i'm concerned about is the replacement. this is so fucking evil that it's set a really low bar.

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Yeah but just think of this "budget" as basically a press release of "here's some shit the WH would like to see." Even when they still held the House in 2010, Democrats didn't pass a budget and they definitely didn't just rubber-stamp Obama's proposal in 2009.

This thing is just sort of a partial wish list of awful shit. It's not anything close to an actual "budget" that the House could take and vote on.

edit: feel free to bookmark this post and quote it back at me in an epic own when they turn this into a bill and pass it
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This is also such an amatuer attempt at a budget, even an outline.  Trump's target was to spend $54 billion more on the military without touching SS or Medicare.  So he just starting cutting dollars from discretionary sources until it added up to $54 billion.  Then he left it to his stooges to sell it.

So far Trump has not shown his negotiating acumen in any of his actions.

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If only he would increase the national debt to unbelievable levels. Then he would be a good president.

"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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 :parrot:
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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Also basically everyone in the foreign policy and even in the military world is saying "jesus christ no you don't just completely cut all diplomacy so you can flex your 'hard power' dick what the fuck is wrong with you morons?"

RIP EPA if any sort of GOP budget is passed though

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This is also such an amatuer attempt at a budget, even an outline.  Trump's target was to spend $54 billion more on the military without touching SS or Medicare.  So he just starting cutting dollars from discretionary sources until it added up to $54 billion.  Then he left it to his stooges to sell it.

So far Trump has not shown his negotiating acumen in any of his actions.
My impression of Trump has always been he doesn't really have much negotiating acumen. Mostly it's all bluff, bluster and bravado combined with a lot of lying. I do admit Trump has a pretty good poker face but that fact is undermined constantly by the knowledge he is most likely lying. The interesting thing is people out there, people who absolutely should know better, are buffaloed by Trump. At best, I'd say he has a good sense of timing as to when to push people into making decisions. He catches them when they are unsure and pushes hard with the threat somebody is going to be "Fired". The subjects react subconsciously.

As has been noted, Trump's fortunes have not even matched the general growth of the economy over the past 20 years.
Are we there yet?

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Also basically everyone in the foreign policy and even in the military world is saying "jesus christ no you don't just completely cut all diplomacy so you can flex your 'hard power' dick what the fuck is wrong with you morons?"

RIP EPA if any sort of GOP budget is passed though
Perhaps, but I'm guessing that will entail a lot of lawsuits over the next decade. It's akin to building a bridge for the public to use and then abandoning its maintenance and repair and eventually it collapses and the victims sue.
Are we there yet?

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edit: feel free to bookmark this post and quote it back at me in an epic own when they turn this into a bill and pass it
consider it bookmarked

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