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Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information.

That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol.

It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.

Do you, as a believer, recognize that you are an idol worshiper?

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DL

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Oh FFS. ::)
Truth is out of style

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GIA hasn't figured out there are maybe 2 theists on this board at all - one of them thinks he's the second coming of Jesus and the other is Dave Hawkins.

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Followers of God are just followers creating a place for leaders.
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Even atheists do not always realize that believers are idol worshipers.

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Many atheists realize that it doesn't matter though.
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Many atheists realize that it doesn't matter though.

I think it should matter to everyone, given the damage that the religious has brought to and continues to bring mankind.

Think jihadist.

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Many atheists realize that it doesn't matter though.

I think it should matter to everyone, given the damage that the religious has brought to and continues to bring mankind.

Think jihadist.

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enjoy all that war you're waging against religion.
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I idolize beer.  Therefore bad.

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putting aside the fact that there are few theists on this board anyway,
putting aside the question of whether it matters,
putting aside the fact that I shouldn't be encouraging GIA,

...he's basically right.

Even under the assumption that some sort of God exists, it's bizarre to make an identification between the God Who Is and the God of the believers.

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putting aside the fact that there are few theists on this board anyway,
putting aside the question of whether it matters,
putting aside the fact that I shouldn't be encouraging GIA,

...he's basically right.

Even under the assumption that some sort of God exists, it's bizarre to make an identification between the God Who Is and the God of the believers.

The God who is?

Who is that?

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DL

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Did you miss the first part of the sentence?

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The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.
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This one?  It's in Politics.

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Did you miss the first part of the sentence?

I was wondering which God you were assuming existed as the God who is but re-reading I see your generalization.

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The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.

If you know what to love, it's opposite you should hate. No?

If you love good people, should you not hate evil people?

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Hate is tiring.  I don't have the energy for that.

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Hate is tiring.  I don't have the energy for that.

I hear you but for evil to grow, all good people need do is be too lazy to fight it.

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or too tired.

If you waste your energy on hating people, you have less energy to fight evil.

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or too tired.

If you waste your energy on hating people, you have less energy to fight evil.

That would also mean that if you waste your energy on loving people, you have less energy to love.

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No, you're being completely retarded.

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No, you're being completely retarded.

Reciprocity is fair play where I came from.
Do you not like what you spew?

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Wherever you come from sounds like a thoroughly vicious place.

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Reciprocity is fair play where I came from.
Do you not like what you spew?
Reciprocity has nothing to do with it.  You made a bizarre non-sequitur.

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Wherever you come from sounds like a thoroughly vicious place.

Why?

Is reciprocity not fair play where you are?

That is a moral tenet almost everywhere. It is the base of the Golden Rule.

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or too tired.

If you waste your energy on hating people, you have less energy to fight evil.

That would also mean that if you waste your energy on loving people, you have less energy to love.

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love is like a magic penny
If you hold it tight you won't have any
If you give it away you'll have so many
They'll be rolling all over the floor.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.

If you know what to love, it's opposite you should hate. No?

If you love good people, should you not hate evil people?

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DL
no. For one thing, evil is highly subjective and I'm not sure I even believe that there are evil people. I do believe that people can do evil things which society has an interest in preventing, but the idea you seem to be working on is one of archaic tribalism.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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So hate is subjective and hate is not.
love is modern and hate is ancient. Ok.

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The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.

If you know what to love, it's opposite you should hate. No?

If you love good people, should you not hate evil people?

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DL
The opposite of "good people" isn't "evil people", at least in the sense of the first sentence.

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So hate is subjective and hate is not.
love is modern and hate is ancient. Ok.

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DL
I didn't say that hate or love are subjective. I said evil seems subjective to me.
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Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
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The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.

If you know what to love, it's opposite you should hate. No?

If you love good people, should you not hate evil people?

Regards
DL
The opposite of "good people" isn't "evil people", at least in the sense of the first sentence.

That would depend on how far you want to take semantics and political correctness.

I just used the Yin Yang dualistic thinking for the language.

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So hate is subjective and hate is not.
love is modern and hate is ancient. Ok.

Regards
DL
I didn't say that hate or love are subjective. I said evil seems subjective to me.

I think it is to all of us.

You will perceive pain, let's say, as evil, while an S & M type will think it good.

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DL

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We don't do an eye for an eye here.

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I'm not even entirely opposed to an eye for an eye. But the idea that you can only be motivated to enact justice by hate is just dumb.
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We don't do an eye for an eye here.

That term is usually used for justice and for that, I agree that it is overkill.

I see nothing wrong with reciprocity in most other cases as we all like to have the positives done to us that we would do to others.

Do you have a different take on that good moral tenet?

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I'm not even entirely opposed to an eye for an eye. But the idea that you can only be motivated to enact justice by hate is just dumb.

An eye for an eye ignores that not only the guilty should share the blame for what he did, but that some of it should also go to those who made him to be what he has become. Think Stockholm Syndrome.

I think that that is why most justice systems do not follow an eye for an eye.

I do not think we do most justice out of hate but out of self protection and the fact that most victims and or their families seek closure.

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Then why again is it you think hate is a good thing?
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Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?
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Then why again is it you think hate is a good thing?

Simply because some things and some people that should be hated just as some things and people should be loved.

I am sure you can think of a few things or people that deserve to be hated.

If some cannot, then FMPOV, they do not know how to love as much as they should. Yin without Yang is not complete.

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Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?

You have just given us the reason why we should hate.
To activate our compassion and seek the minimum requirements of justice.
Compassion is easy to give when given to those we love. Loving your other neighbors, even those you hate, needs compassion and I think that hate prompts us to be better humans.

I am not quite there emotionally yet, but intellectually, I think I understand this.

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Perhaps, GIA, you might consider that accepting that your personal ideology and manner of interacting with the world is not necessarily the only way nor necessarily the best way. Perhaps people who reject all or part of your dichotomous philosophy are advancing humanity while you are stuck in a venomous past.

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Perhaps, GIA, you might consider that accepting that your personal ideology and manner of interacting with the world is not necessarily the only way nor necessarily the best way. Perhaps people who reject all or part of your dichotomous philosophy are advancing humanity while you are stuck in a venomous past.

Ditto.

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No thought in that response, GIA - a schoolyard retort.

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No thought in that response, GIA - a schoolyard retort.

You did the thinking and I agreed
Agreement is a schoolyard retort. Ok.

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Topic change:

You've posted threads on this forum for years now. I don't remember ever seeing you post anywhere else in the community. Why?

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Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?

You have just given us the reason why we should hate.
To activate our compassion and seek the minimum requirements of justice.
Compassion is easy to give when given to those we love. Loving your other neighbors, even those you hate, needs compassion and I think that hate prompts us to be better humans.

I am not quite there emotionally yet, but intellectually, I think I understand this.

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DL
this is the reason you gave in the other thread. While I sort of understand your reasoning here, I think it is still flawed other than that it does take tremendous strength of will to avoid hate sometimes.
Love is like a magic penny
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if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Topic change:

You've posted threads on this forum for years now. I don't remember ever seeing you post anywhere else in the community. Why?

I have. I am just selective.

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DL

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Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?

You have just given us the reason why we should hate.
To activate our compassion and seek the minimum requirements of justice.
Compassion is easy to give when given to those we love. Loving your other neighbors, even those you hate, needs compassion and I think that hate prompts us to be better humans.

I am not quite there emotionally yet, but intellectually, I think I understand this.

Regards
DL
this is the reason you gave in the other thread. While I sort of understand your reasoning here, I think it is still flawed other than that it does take tremendous strength of will to avoid hate sometimes.

If that hard, then it may be an issue where hate is appropriate.

I believe in intelligent use of freedom of choice and dislike, perhaps to the point of hating what hinders it, as I see it as something that slows down human development of our psyche.

I get that from word like this.

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart

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