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Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #25
or too tired.

If you waste your energy on hating people, you have less energy to fight evil.

That would also mean that if you waste your energy on loving people, you have less energy to love.

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DL
love is like a magic penny
If you hold it tight you won't have any
If you give it away you'll have so many
They'll be rolling all over the floor.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #26
The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.

If you know what to love, it's opposite you should hate. No?

If you love good people, should you not hate evil people?

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DL
no. For one thing, evil is highly subjective and I'm not sure I even believe that there are evil people. I do believe that people can do evil things which society has an interest in preventing, but the idea you seem to be working on is one of archaic tribalism.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #27
So hate is subjective and hate is not.
love is modern and hate is ancient. Ok.

Regards
DL

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #28
The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.

If you know what to love, it's opposite you should hate. No?

If you love good people, should you not hate evil people?

Regards
DL
The opposite of "good people" isn't "evil people", at least in the sense of the first sentence.

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #29
So hate is subjective and hate is not.
love is modern and hate is ancient. Ok.

Regards
DL
I didn't say that hate or love are subjective. I said evil seems subjective to me.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #30
The forum seems to be hiding GIA's other thread on why hate is a good thing from me.

If you know what to love, it's opposite you should hate. No?

If you love good people, should you not hate evil people?

Regards
DL
The opposite of "good people" isn't "evil people", at least in the sense of the first sentence.

That would depend on how far you want to take semantics and political correctness.

I just used the Yin Yang dualistic thinking for the language.

Regards
DL

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #31
So hate is subjective and hate is not.
love is modern and hate is ancient. Ok.

Regards
DL
I didn't say that hate or love are subjective. I said evil seems subjective to me.

I think it is to all of us.

You will perceive pain, let's say, as evil, while an S & M type will think it good.

Regards
DL

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Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #32
We don't do an eye for an eye here.

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #33
I'm not even entirely opposed to an eye for an eye. But the idea that you can only be motivated to enact justice by hate is just dumb.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #34
We don't do an eye for an eye here.

That term is usually used for justice and for that, I agree that it is overkill.

I see nothing wrong with reciprocity in most other cases as we all like to have the positives done to us that we would do to others.

Do you have a different take on that good moral tenet?

Regards
DL

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #35
I'm not even entirely opposed to an eye for an eye. But the idea that you can only be motivated to enact justice by hate is just dumb.

An eye for an eye ignores that not only the guilty should share the blame for what he did, but that some of it should also go to those who made him to be what he has become. Think Stockholm Syndrome.

I think that that is why most justice systems do not follow an eye for an eye.

I do not think we do most justice out of hate but out of self protection and the fact that most victims and or their families seek closure.

Regards
DL

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #36
Then why again is it you think hate is a good thing?
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #37
Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #38
Then why again is it you think hate is a good thing?

Simply because some things and some people that should be hated just as some things and people should be loved.

I am sure you can think of a few things or people that deserve to be hated.

If some cannot, then FMPOV, they do not know how to love as much as they should. Yin without Yang is not complete.

Regards
DL




Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #39
Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?

You have just given us the reason why we should hate.
To activate our compassion and seek the minimum requirements of justice.
Compassion is easy to give when given to those we love. Loving your other neighbors, even those you hate, needs compassion and I think that hate prompts us to be better humans.

I am not quite there emotionally yet, but intellectually, I think I understand this.

Regards
DL

  • borealis
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Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #40
Perhaps, GIA, you might consider that accepting that your personal ideology and manner of interacting with the world is not necessarily the only way nor necessarily the best way. Perhaps people who reject all or part of your dichotomous philosophy are advancing humanity while you are stuck in a venomous past.

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #41
Perhaps, GIA, you might consider that accepting that your personal ideology and manner of interacting with the world is not necessarily the only way nor necessarily the best way. Perhaps people who reject all or part of your dichotomous philosophy are advancing humanity while you are stuck in a venomous past.

Ditto.

Regards
DL

  • borealis
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Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #42
No thought in that response, GIA - a schoolyard retort.

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #43
No thought in that response, GIA - a schoolyard retort.

You did the thinking and I agreed
Agreement is a schoolyard retort. Ok.

Regards
DL


  • borealis
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Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #44
Topic change:

You've posted threads on this forum for years now. I don't remember ever seeing you post anywhere else in the community. Why?

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #45
Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?

You have just given us the reason why we should hate.
To activate our compassion and seek the minimum requirements of justice.
Compassion is easy to give when given to those we love. Loving your other neighbors, even those you hate, needs compassion and I think that hate prompts us to be better humans.

I am not quite there emotionally yet, but intellectually, I think I understand this.

Regards
DL
this is the reason you gave in the other thread. While I sort of understand your reasoning here, I think it is still flawed other than that it does take tremendous strength of will to avoid hate sometimes.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #46
Topic change:

You've posted threads on this forum for years now. I don't remember ever seeing you post anywhere else in the community. Why?

I have. I am just selective.

Regards
DL

Re: Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
Reply #47
Why does it matter if we hate the right people if it isn't to motivate us to act in justice?

You have just given us the reason why we should hate.
To activate our compassion and seek the minimum requirements of justice.
Compassion is easy to give when given to those we love. Loving your other neighbors, even those you hate, needs compassion and I think that hate prompts us to be better humans.

I am not quite there emotionally yet, but intellectually, I think I understand this.

Regards
DL
this is the reason you gave in the other thread. While I sort of understand your reasoning here, I think it is still flawed other than that it does take tremendous strength of will to avoid hate sometimes.

If that hard, then it may be an issue where hate is appropriate.

I believe in intelligent use of freedom of choice and dislike, perhaps to the point of hating what hinders it, as I see it as something that slows down human development of our psyche.

I get that from word like this.

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart

Regards
DL