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Is there some thought that this jibes with the Bible story?  Or is it in the wrong place so it cannot?

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wrong place for bible. 

however, it is conceivable that the bible flood story goes back to a real flooding of the euphrates.  based on some improbable textual similarities, there is a strong case at least that the Noah's ark flood story is part of a local cycle of flood stories in the middle east, which ultimately come from a sumerian (iirc) story.  the sumerian story mentions a king whose name also appears early on a sumerian king list, which appears to be at least partly historical.  estimating the chronology of the list gives you a rough date for a flood, and there is geologic evidence of a couple of catastrophic floods of the river around the right time.

pretty shaky but imo there's enough there to make it fun to speculate
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Pretty much all major civilizations were built up on flood plains so it's hardly surprising flood myths predominate, they are probably all based on some real experience however mixed up with mythology. Just at different times places rather than one global one.

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wrong place for bible. 

however, it is conceivable that the bible flood story goes back to a real flooding of the euphrates.  based on some improbable textual similarities, there is a strong case at least that the Noah's ark flood story is part of a local cycle of flood stories in the middle east, which ultimately come from a sumerian (iirc) story.  the sumerian story mentions a king whose name also appears early on a sumerian king list, which appears to be at least partly historical.  estimating the chronology of the list gives you a rough date for a flood, and there is geologic evidence of a couple of catastrophic floods of the river around the right time.

pretty shaky but imo there's enough there to make it fun to speculate

Yes the epic of Gilgamesh may well be the source of parts of the Noah myth.

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wrong place for bible. 

however, it is conceivable that the bible flood story goes back to a real flooding of the euphrates.  based on some improbable textual similarities, there is a strong case at least that the Noah's ark flood story is part of a local cycle of flood stories in the middle east, which ultimately come from a sumerian (iirc) story.  the sumerian story mentions a king whose name also appears early on a sumerian king list, which appears to be at least partly historical.  estimating the chronology of the list gives you a rough date for a flood, and there is geologic evidence of a couple of catastrophic floods of the river around the right time.

pretty shaky but imo there's enough there to make it fun to speculate

Yes the epic of Gilgamesh may well be the source of parts of the Noah myth.
may well be? Parts are lifted almost line for line.
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This sounds similar to the Great Missoula Flood which was a post-Biblical Flood event.

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lol

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[wiki]Black Sea deluge hypothesis[/wiki]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

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WTF  are you guys talking about and how does it relate to this topic?

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WTF  are you guys talking about and how does it relate to this topic?
We're talking about real floods that actually happened IRL and for which there is evidence which might be the potential IRL event that inspired the mythical biblical flood bullshit story.

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WTF  are you guys talking about and how does it relate to this topic?
Another large flood that has been suggested as an influence on the mythology of the region, specifically the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the later influence it had on the stories of Noah's Flood.
Why do I bother?

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 :smug:

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This sounds similar to the Great Missoula Flood which was a post-Biblical Flood event.
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[wiki]Black Sea deluge hypothesis[/wiki]

:eta:  :whyyou: Where are my wiki tags?  :whyyou:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
I saw a really neat godless mockumentary of how the story lines up with some flood on the Euphrates and how Noah would have used a round boat and come out in the Persian gulf somewhere. But basically, the only point of that sort of speculation is academic mental masturbation. Flood legends in civilizations living in river valleys are not surprising and the obviously mythical Noah story is, well, obviously mythical, to be understood as archetypes if you care to invest the time to consider it at all.
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WTF  are you guys talking about and how does it relate to this topic?

Amazing that someone who more than once has argued and debated for the reality of the Jewish version of the flood myth would actually have to ask this question. It's like you know fuck all about it.

It reminds me that most people who have been taught and believe their version of the bible represents actual unfettered history couldn't tell you where the Jewish war god Yahweh and the pantheon he was once part of came from, even though it's trivial to research it if one cared.

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WTF  are you guys talking about and how does it relate to this topic?

The mythical flood in this story is not your mythical flood.
It is a different myth.


And to be clear this myth has more evidence than your myth does.

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Is there some thought that this jibes with the Bible story?  Or is it in the wrong place so it cannot?

China isn't even mentioned in the Bible. Actually no other lands are mentioned outside of the region that the authors of the Bible were familiar with.