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Would you sit back and let a crime happen when you could prevent it safely?
Would you sit back and let a crime happen when you could prevent it safely?

Some societies have laws that say that to do so would be a crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234

If you would act to prevent a crime when able to do so safely, what does that say of an omnipresent god?

Are human/secular morals and laws better than gods?

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DL

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We will probably never know if God's laws are better.
He will never let us know for sure.
Being mysterious and all.

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I would act to prevent a crime that would hurt someone innocent, someone who did not deserve retribution, and I don't think that says anything about god.

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It would depend on the crime.

"Illegal" is not a synonym for "Immoral". There are things that are illegal which I would ignore, and there are things that are legal that I would try to stop.

What it tells us about God is the classic "Problem of Evil", although I prefer to term it as the "Problem of Suffering" because the former begs the question of how "Evil" is defined, which says that he either:

1) Isn't aware of all the suffering that occurs
or
2) Can't prevent this suffering from occurring
or
3) Doesn't want to prevent the suffering from occurring

This, of course, isn't a problem unless your particular creed declares that he can do all the above - in which case, well, sorry but the world we see around us doesn't match your creed's claims.

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I stopped 2 kids stealing my neighbor's car despite one of them pulling a knife on me

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I went back in time and stopped Fred Rogers from becoming President and starting World War III and consequently being responsible for the sinking of the North American continent.

Because of my intervention, he never entered politics and he became a children's entertainer instead.

Unfortunately, no-one but me now remembers his tyrannical rule or his "neighborhood" death camps.

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I have done nothing, twice while witnessing a shoplifting. 

Both times it took me several seconds to process what was actually happening, and by the time it was over it was too late.  I fucked up and didn't report it to the store. Also I had no way of knowing if I'd be safe.

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We will probably never know if God's laws are better.
He will never let us know for sure.
Being mysterious and all.

True but we can know what theists believe their mysterious gods has said the laws should be.

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DL

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I would act to prevent a crime that would hurt someone innocent, someone who did not deserve retribution, and I don't think that says anything about god.

I think it shows that you have better morals than a god who would not follow your good example.

Regards
DL


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It would depend on the crime.

"Illegal" is not a synonym for "Immoral". There are things that are illegal which I would ignore, and there are things that are legal that I would try to stop.

What it tells us about God is the classic "Problem of Evil", although I prefer to term it as the "Problem of Suffering" because the former begs the question of how "Evil" is defined, which says that he either:

1) Isn't aware of all the suffering that occurs
or
2) Can't prevent this suffering from occurring
or
3) Doesn't want to prevent the suffering from occurring

This, of course, isn't a problem unless your particular creed declares that he can do all the above - in which case, well, sorry but the world we see around us doesn't match your creed's claims.

No argument on this.

Regards
DL

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I stopped 2 kids stealing my neighbor's car despite one of them pulling a knife on me

Atta boy. Nice that you recognized your duty.

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DL

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I have done nothing, twice while witnessing a shoplifting. 

Both times it took me several seconds to process what was actually happening, and by the time it was over it was too late.  I fucked up and didn't report it to the store. Also I had no way of knowing if I'd be safe.

Forgivable that.

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DL

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I have done nothing, twice while witnessing a shoplifting. 

Both times it took me several seconds to process what was actually happening, and by the time it was over it was too late.  I fucked up and didn't report it to the store. Also I had no way of knowing if I'd be safe.

Forgivable that.

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DL
Is it?  In both cases, I certainly could have done something even if I was putting myself in danger.  These days, I'd probably whip out my phone and livestream it.

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I have done nothing, twice while witnessing a shoplifting. 

Both times it took me several seconds to process what was actually happening, and by the time it was over it was too late.  I fucked up and didn't report it to the store. Also I had no way of knowing if I'd be safe.

Forgivable that.

Regards
DL
Is it?  In both cases, I certainly could have done something even if I was putting myself in danger.  These days, I'd probably whip out my phone and livestream it.

Yes it is. due to this. "Both times it took me several seconds to process what was actually happening, and by the time it was over it was too late."

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DL

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I would act to prevent a crime that would hurt someone innocent, someone who did not deserve retribution, and I don't think that says anything about god.

I think it shows that you have better morals than a god who would not follow your good example.

Regards
DL


wouldn't the right thing to do be to just kill all the muslims?
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Oh, and poor people.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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If God gives you the go-ahead...

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He did.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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I would act to prevent a crime that would hurt someone innocent, someone who did not deserve retribution, and I don't think that says anything about god.

I think it shows that you have better morals than a god who would not follow your good example.

Regards
DL


wouldn't the right thing to do be to just kill all the muslims?

You are thinking like the Christians used to.

That aside, if they cannot change their intolerant policies, and continue as they have, we just might have to.

Regards
DL

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Damn. That was too easy.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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I would act to prevent a crime that would hurt someone innocent, someone who did not deserve retribution, and I don't think that says anything about god.

I think it shows that you have better morals than a god who would not follow your good example.

Regards
DL


wouldn't the right thing to do be to just kill all the muslims?

You are thinking like the Christians used to.

That aside, if they cannot change their intolerant policies, and continue as they have, we just might have to.

Regards
DL

How do you know that the Muslims don't have it right about God?

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I would act to prevent a crime that would hurt someone innocent, someone who did not deserve retribution, and I don't think that says anything about god.

I think it shows that you have better morals than a god who would not follow your good example.

Regards
DL


wouldn't the right thing to do be to just kill all the muslims?

You are thinking like the Christians used to.

That aside, if they cannot change their intolerant policies, and continue as they have, we just might have to.

Regards
DL

How do you know that the Muslims don't have it right about God?


A good god would not set the limit on virgins in heaven to 72.

A good god would also allow a few heretics into heaven otherwise the only debates and discussions would be on which virgin gets it next.

Further, Allah's morality is more Satan like than god like.

Regards
DL

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GIA, would you pull the lever and send the trolley to kill your God, or let the trolley go through and send 5 saints to hell?


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GIA, would you pull the lever and send the trolley to kill your God, or let the trolley go through and send 5 saints to hell?



My god is I am and yes I mean me.
I cannot be both on the track and at that lever.

The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few.

If we are talking of the (real) genocidal son murdering god Yahweh, then he would die as that would save us from a lot of future harm.

Who would you kill?

Regards
DL
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Would you sit back and let a crime happen when you could prevent it safely?

Well we let you post here so clearly.
Why do I bother?