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Re: Rebuilding the Democrat Party
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Just figure out who is most likely to get drawn in to what you post and you'll have it.
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no one tell her
One of the things I love about tr is the neverending 3rd grade burns.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/western-democrats-trump-resistance-236223

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HELENA, Mont. -- After eight years of watching Democrats hemorrhage state and local offices, a collection of ambitious Western pols is attempting to muscle into Democratic Party politics and move its center of gravity away from the East Coast.

They've seen two decades of presidential nominees who hail from east of the Mississippi River. Now they are intent on taking the lead against the Trump administration policy agenda and setting the terms for the 2020 Democratic presidential primary.

"This is where the action is, where the action can be, and where the action has to be," said Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, one of the White House's most prominent critics and a leading defender of a health care system under which eight Western states have expanded Medicaid. "Nationally [and] in D.C., the party's been flummoxed by the combined effects of gerrymandering and the massive accident of democracy named President Donald Trump."

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Re: Rebuilding the Democrat Party
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 Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America - and it's not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party - out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant - still refuses to embrace him and his message. It's increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.

A new Fox News poll out this week shows Sanders has a +28 net favorability rating among the US population, dwarfing all other elected politicians on both ends of the political spectrum. And he's even more popular among the vaunted "independents", where he is at a mind boggling +41.

This poll is not just an aberration. Look at this Huffington Post chart that has tracked Sanders' favorability rating over time, ever since he gained national prominence in 2015 when he started running for the Democratic nomination. The more people got to know him, they more they liked him - the exact opposite of what his critics said would happen when he was running against Clinton.

One would think with numbers like that, Democratic politicians would be falling all over themselves to be associated with Sanders, especially considering the party as a whole is more unpopular than the Republicans and even Donald Trump right now. Yet instead of embracing his message, the establishment wing of the party continues to resist him at almost every turn, and they seem insistent that they don't have to change their ways to gain back the support of huge swaths of the country.

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As Politico reported on the Democrats' post-Trump strategy in February, "Democratic aides say they will eventually shift to a positive economic message that Rust Belt Democrats can run on". However: "For now, aides say, the focus is on slaying the giant and proving to the voters who sent Trump into the White House why his policies will fail."

In other words, they're doubling down on the exact same failing strategy that Clinton used in the final months of the campaign. Sanders himself put it this way in his usual blunt style in an interview with New York magazine this week - when asked about whether the Democrats can adapt to the political reality, he said: "There are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats."
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Re: Rebuilding the Democrat Party
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weird. I read that article but posted this one yesterday:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-reigns-supreme-as-the-establishment-fumes/

which says almost the exact same thing.

And yeah, I am pretty much a berniebro in that I see neoliberalism as having run its course and that massive tax reform in the form of taxing money, wealth needs to occur, that corporate rule is the political issue of this century including citizens united, the fairness doctrine, tax shelters, the process of free trade, wall street rents on the economy, and other similar issues which are all bits and pieces of corporatocracy. Power should never be allowed to centralize.

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To anyone not living in the alternate Clinton-ite universe, a new Fox News poll showing Bernie Sanders as the most popular American politician is not surprising.

According to the poll, the Vermont Senator had the highest favorables among Democratic voters -- much to the chagrin of MSNBC's Joy Reid, whose go to is, "But he's not even a Democrat!" -- and independent voters.

He's also tied with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer as most popular among Republican voters, which really means Sanders is viewed most favorably since Schumer is, in many ways, a Republican in Democrats' clothing.

So, gee gosh, Jolly Jim! A progressive who sparked a monumental movement calling for the end of the 40-year Republican and neoliberal money-funneling-to-the-rich scheme, universal healthcare, free public college tuition, and investing in America is -- wait for it -- wildly popular.

But the Democratic establishment and elitist corporate media is stewing in denial, highlighted by The Washington Post's comical headline that couldn't bring itself to actually say Sanders is the most popular politician in America: "Bernie Sanders remains one of America's most popular politicians," the Post wrote.

In a Twitter exchange with this humble columnist, the author, Washington Post writer Phillip Bump, provided this weaksauce excuse:

    @JordanChariton Trying holding your breath. Or show me a poll that includes every politician.

    -- Philip Bump (@pbump) March 17, 2017

Right, so the Washington Post and others routinely make declarations from polls that don't include all politicians or institutions--except if the poll is positive for Bernie Sanders.

On the bright side, at least the piece wasn't written by new Post columnist John Podesta, who, you know, was given column space for his incredible job as Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, with duties including smearing Sanders, pushing a weak candidate, and losing to a reality-TV-star.

And it's not just the media. The Democratic Party has been doing everything humanly possible to avoid the inevitable fate of having to embrace Sanders' progressive policies for electoral success. Just look at the DNC Transition Advisory Committee: A Murderers' Row of Clinton allies with just one true-blue progressive on it. As DNC Chair Tom Perez kept saying: We'll lead with our values. And they certainly are.

Does Trump have questionable financial ties to Russia that could influence his decisions as president? Absolutely.

Is he doing monstrous things as president? Absolutely.

It's fine to point those things out and demand action. But, the Democrats are obsessing over them to the point of completely ignoring all other substantive, progressive issues.

The reason? If they admit Sanders and progressive ideology has taken over the Party -- hell, the country -- then they have to start pushing for policies that their donors won't accept: Tax hikes on the wealthy, tax hikes on investments, strengthening unions and worker protections, campaign finance reform, etc.

But, if they tread water with the singular focuses on Russia and the 'resistance,' Democrats will continue to toss occasional bones to Sanders without actually trying to embrace any of his policies. This Democratic denial, which is aided by the party's media allies in print and cable news, will go on for another few years.

Similar to during the campaign, we will hear endless ranting about Trump -- along with other hyped up, Russia-type 'scandals' thrown in -- with little focus on the plight of workers, minorities, or the voters Democrats say they're fighting for. All of which (despite trolls on Twitter who blame folks like me), points only to the Democratic Party helping to pave the road for a Trump reelection.

If they don't change now, don't be surprised if we get eight years of the current monstrosity.
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Re: Rebuilding the Democrat Party
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whole lot people on the clinton side who hate the shit out of sanders and believe he's responsible for trump winning. which to me is the same breed of idiocy as bernouts who think clinton screwed him out of the nomination.

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Re: Rebuilding the Democrat Party
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whole lot people on the clinton side who hate the shit out of sanders and believe he's responsible for trump winning. which to me is the same breed of idiocy as bernouts who think clinton screwed him out of the nomination.
yep. It was an election. However, it did bring the 'establishment' into focus.
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Re: Rebuilding the Democrat Party
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weird. I read that article but posted this one yesterday:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-reigns-supreme-as-the-establishment-fumes/

which says almost the exact same thing.

And yeah, I am pretty much a berniebro in that I see neoliberalism as having run its course and that massive tax reform in the form of taxing money, wealth needs to occur, that corporate rule is the political issue of this century including citizens united, the fairness doctrine, tax shelters, the process of free trade, wall street rents on the economy, and other similar issues which are all bits and pieces of corporatocracy. Power should never be allowed to centralize.

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To anyone not living in the alternate Clinton-ite universe, a new Fox News poll showing Bernie Sanders as the most popular American politician is not surprising.

According to the poll, the Vermont Senator had the highest favorables among Democratic voters -- much to the chagrin of MSNBC's Joy Reid, whose go to is, "But he's not even a Democrat!" -- and independent voters.

He's also tied with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer as most popular among Republican voters, which really means Sanders is viewed most favorably since Schumer is, in many ways, a Republican in Democrats' clothing.

So, gee gosh, Jolly Jim! A progressive who sparked a monumental movement calling for the end of the 40-year Republican and neoliberal money-funneling-to-the-rich scheme, universal healthcare, free public college tuition, and investing in America is -- wait for it -- wildly popular.

But the Democratic establishment and elitist corporate media is stewing in denial, highlighted by The Washington Post's comical headline that couldn't bring itself to actually say Sanders is the most popular politician in America: "Bernie Sanders remains one of America's most popular politicians," the Post wrote.

In a Twitter exchange with this humble columnist, the author, Washington Post writer Phillip Bump, provided this weaksauce excuse:

    @JordanChariton Trying holding your breath. Or show me a poll that includes every politician.

    -- Philip Bump (@pbump) March 17, 2017

Right, so the Washington Post and others routinely make declarations from polls that don't include all politicians or institutions--except if the poll is positive for Bernie Sanders.

On the bright side, at least the piece wasn't written by new Post columnist John Podesta, who, you know, was given column space for his incredible job as Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, with duties including smearing Sanders, pushing a weak candidate, and losing to a reality-TV-star.

And it's not just the media. The Democratic Party has been doing everything humanly possible to avoid the inevitable fate of having to embrace Sanders' progressive policies for electoral success. Just look at the DNC Transition Advisory Committee: A Murderers' Row of Clinton allies with just one true-blue progressive on it. As DNC Chair Tom Perez kept saying: We'll lead with our values. And they certainly are.

Does Trump have questionable financial ties to Russia that could influence his decisions as president? Absolutely.

Is he doing monstrous things as president? Absolutely.

It's fine to point those things out and demand action. But, the Democrats are obsessing over them to the point of completely ignoring all other substantive, progressive issues.

The reason? If they admit Sanders and progressive ideology has taken over the Party -- hell, the country -- then they have to start pushing for policies that their donors won't accept: Tax hikes on the wealthy, tax hikes on investments, strengthening unions and worker protections, campaign finance reform, etc.

But, if they tread water with the singular focuses on Russia and the 'resistance,' Democrats will continue to toss occasional bones to Sanders without actually trying to embrace any of his policies. This Democratic denial, which is aided by the party's media allies in print and cable news, will go on for another few years.

Similar to during the campaign, we will hear endless ranting about Trump -- along with other hyped up, Russia-type 'scandals' thrown in -- with little focus on the plight of workers, minorities, or the voters Democrats say they're fighting for. All of which (despite trolls on Twitter who blame folks like me), points only to the Democratic Party helping to pave the road for a Trump reelection.

If they don't change now, don't be surprised if we get eight years of the current monstrosity.

I'm not sure I see Democrats in general shying away from Bernie's policy positions, in a major way, given so many were adopted into the DNC platform during the election. It's true that many Democratic politicians are to the right of Bernie, but many of them represent constituencies that are to the right of Bernie, even if they might like this-or-that policy position that Bernie supports. I do think it's fair to say, though, that the Hillary campaign should have made policy, and the economy in particular, a greater focus of their ads. It was another Clinton campaign, after all, which ran on, "it's the economy, stupid."

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Re: Rebuilding the Democrat Party
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whole lot people on the clinton side who hate the shit out of sanders and believe he's responsible for trump winning. which to me is the same breed of idiocy as bernouts who think clinton screwed him out of the nomination.

for example

90% of this i agree with totally, but the weaksauce attempt to name "team sanders" as a significant contributing factor is just laffo