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  • osmanthus
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #75
Yup, he's right. Nobody has ever considered the possibility that the sun might influence climate. ::)
Truth is out of style

Re: Global warming is making for record cold
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  • F X
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #77
February 11th, 2015
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The non-stop sucker punches of frigid air also brought to the forefront the idea that global warming could paradoxically be behind them, with Arctic sea ice melt forcing wild dives in the jet stream up in the atmosphere.

But it's a hotly debated idea that has spurred a flurry of research, some of which bolsters the connection but still leaves key questions unanswered and many atmospheric scientists skeptical.

And of course linking any Arctic outbreak, just like any other singular weather event, to the effects of warming is difficult, at best. And in this particular case, experts cited different reasons for the return of the intruding Arctic air.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/polar-vortex-whats-the-role-of-warming-18654

Oct 28, 2016
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The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found -- but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted it to shift toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.
https://thinkprogress.org/stronger-cold-spells-likely-in-north-america-as-the-polar-vortex-is-shifting-7225c56569c2#.xvu5rmyx3

1975
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The principal weather change likely to accompany the cooling trend is increased variability-alternating extremes of temperature and precipitation in any given area-which would almost certainly lower average crop yields.

During cooler climatic periods the high-altitude winds are broken up into irregular cells by weaker and more plentiful pressure centers, causing formation of a "meridional circulation" pattern. These small, weak cells may stagnate over vast areas for many months, bringing unseasonably cold weather on one side and unseasonably warm weather on the other. Droughts and floods become more frequent and may alternate season to season, as they did last year in India. Thus, while the hemisphere as a whole is cooler, individual areas may alternately break temperature and precipitation records at both extremes.
https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/default/files/8983

They even included a graphic to show how cooler conditions cause the changes.  And how a cooling world has jet stream changes that allow the polar vortex to send the arctic air farther south.





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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #78
What's the real story?

That is the important question.  Not what somebody wants it to be, not what somebody believes, but what the evidence and science and theory and logic and reason allows us to know about the world.
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  • osmanthus
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #79
If you really want to know, go watch Judith Curry over on the space lizard site.
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #81

February 11th, 2015
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The non-stop sucker punches of frigid air also brought to the forefront the idea that global warming could paradoxically be behind them, with Arctic sea ice melt forcing wild dives in the jet stream up in the atmosphere.

But it's a hotly debated idea that has spurred a flurry of research, some of which bolsters the connection but still leaves key questions unanswered and many atmospheric scientists skeptical.

And of course linking any Arctic outbreak, just like any other singular weather event, to the effects of warming is difficult, at best. And in this particular case, experts cited different reasons for the return of the intruding Arctic air.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/polar-vortex-whats-the-role-of-warming-18654

Oct 28, 2016
Quote
The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found -- but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted it to shift toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.
https://thinkprogress.org/stronger-cold-spells-likely-in-north-america-as-the-polar-vortex-is-shifting-7225c56569c2#.xvu5rmyx3

1975
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The principal weather change likely to accompany the cooling trend is increased variability-alternating extremes of temperature and precipitation in any given area-which would almost certainly lower average crop yields.

During cooler climatic periods the high-altitude winds are broken up into irregular cells by weaker and more plentiful pressure centers, causing formation of a "meridional circulation" pattern. These small, weak cells may stagnate over vast areas for many months, bringing unseasonably cold weather on one side and unseasonably warm weather on the other. Droughts and floods become more frequent and may alternate season to season, as they did last year in India. Thus, while the hemisphere as a whole is cooler, individual areas may alternately break temperature and precipitation records at both extremes.
https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/default/files/8983

They even included a graphic to show how cooler conditions cause the changes.  And how a cooling world has jet stream changes that allow the polar vortex to send the arctic air farther south.



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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #82
:crickets:
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #83
Haha

now you are trying to steal my material

hehe

that's pretty damn funny
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  • F X
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
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2008
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This, Hansen wants to warn us, is a recipe for global warming disaster. The recent warm winters that Britain has experienced are a clear sign that the climate is changing, he says.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080511205221/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3341039.ece

2016
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Climate change could be responsible for intensely cold winters in the US and UK, a new study has claimed.
Britain could be hit by extra cold winters - and it's all down to global warming


If the alarmists want to be viewed as serious, you know, for people to actually have a chance of believing them, you have got to stick to a story.   Ordinary peeps don't understand science, they think when you say something you actually mean it, and won't change it later.  They can't grasp that science is about changing things as more evidence comes in.  And that just because you predicted milder winters, and the opposite happened, they think that means you were wrong.

Stupid people, always thinking when somebody says something they actually mean it.

"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
― Mark Twain 🔭

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #85
Haha

now you are trying to steal my material

hehe

that's pretty damn funny
I daresay...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #86
Has anyone ever mentioned that FX seems to have a similar all/some/none problem to the one Hawkins has?

  • F X
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #87
I'll let whatever strawman that question was direct to answer for itself.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #88
Ordinary peeps don't understand science, they think that means you were wrong.

Stupid is as stupid does.

  • F X
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #89
You see, when you lie, or make shit up, you lose credibility. If you are changing other people's words, (fuck who knows why), you are lost.
Ordinary peeps don't understand science, they think when you say something you actually mean it, and won't change it later.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
― Mark Twain 🔭

Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #90
You see, when you lie, or make shit up, you lose credibility. If you are changing other people's words, (fuck who knows why), you are lost.
Ordinary peeps don't understand science, they think when you say something you actually mean it, and won't change it later.

Public views on climate change and climate scientists

Most Americans (67%) think climate scientists should have a major role setting public policy for mitigating the effects of climate change. 

  • F X
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #91
Looking at that "data" is interesting, especially how they present their "findings", from a poll.

As is almost always the case with believers, they try to present all data as somehow supporting their belief, rather than an honest look at what they can observe.

For example
http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/the-politics-of-climate/ps_2016-10-04_politics-of-climate_1-03/

The results could be easily presented in a way that tells a different version, from the same data.

It's so obvious to a skeptic.

Rather than claim "Minority of U.S. adults see climate scientists' research and understanding in a positive light", they could be honest and state "A Majority of U.S. adults see climate scientists' research and understanding in a negative light", and displayed the data showing they lack of trust and belief in experts.

67% of those asked think climate scientist do not understand whether climate change is happening.

72% don't think climate scientist know the cause of climate change.

81% said climate scientist don't know how to address "it", with "it" not being defined, which is amusing considering the question is in regards to the previous ones. 

While 32% think research is influenced by the best evidence, 36% think it is scientists self interest that drives their beliefs.

But if you add the 27% and 26% that believe it's political or helping their industry, 89% clearly think it's not evidence that influences research findings.

Fascinating.  Of course PEW don't present their finding like this, which is ironic and humorous.

The bias is obvious.



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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #92
Greenland Summit station sets new record for coldest July day, and coldest July temperature ever recorded in the NH
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  • MikeS
Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #93
Greenland Summit station sets new record for coldest July day, and coldest July temperature ever recorded in the NH
Semi-serious observation.
With the cut back in coal combustion and the continued reduction in PM10 and PM2.5 emissions (along with other smog producing chemicals) could this be the clearing of the atmosphere so that a clear day would result in a much colder temperature due to thermal coupling direct to space?

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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #94
Semi-serious observation.
With the cut back in coal combustion and the continued reduction in PM10 and PM2.5 emissions (along with other smog producing chemicals) could this be the clearing of the atmosphere so that a clear day would result in a much colder temperature due to thermal coupling direct to space?
That is exactly the sort of question I would like to be able to know the answer to.  We can know that much of Greenland has been colder-than-normal for the year so far and has had record or near record levels of accumulated snow and ice since the fall of last year. The record low July temperatures have led to increasing snow and ice extent - despite the fact that it is now well into their summer season.

The entire arctic is colder than "average"  so far, so something is causing colder conditions there.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
― Mark Twain 🔭

Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #95
There hasn't been a cutback in net global coal combustion.  There's been a slowdown in growth of coal production but no inflection point in the curve.  Which I guess answers at least that particular question in the negative.

As to the question about what is happening with Arctic temperatures, I don't think a definitive answer has been provided.  At least within the realms of scientific enquiry.  The cult regulars of course know exactly what is causing the variation - even in the absence of any conceivably plausible mechanism let alone evidence.

  • F X
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #96
As to the question about what is happening with Arctic temperatures, I don't think a definitive answer has been provided.  At least within the realms of scientific enquiry. 
The Russian solar physicist, Habibullo Abdussamatov, might tell us it is the quiet sun. 
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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  • F X
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #97
"In Greenland July this year has been the coldest ever. That has left climate catastrophists struggling to explain it."

BAZ comments that the -33°C reading earlier this month was "the coldest July temperature ever recorded in the northern hemisphere", smashing the previous record of 30.7°C.

The BAZ adds that also the "ice cover has grown strongly over almost all of Greenland".

But this has been ignored, as the Switzerland-based daily also bravely writes that "most journalists and media leaders are active or passive members of the green-socialist Climate Church and the new religion of the post-Christian western world" and acknowledge only things that fit their world narrative. This likely explains why there's been no word about the record cold in Greenland. Why? The BAZ comments:

It casts the central prophesy of a continuous and ultimately lethal global warming, for which we are ourselves to blame, into question."
http://bazonline.ch/wissen/natur/ab-nach-groenland/story/28363255
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Re: Global warming is making for record cold
Reply #98
Record cold, and record ice mass gain.  It's almost like colder means more snow.

Oh right.  That's how physics works.
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