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Brexit is go for launch
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/08/brexit-debate-vote-live-theresa-may-pmqs/

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Remainers had hoped it would be the night when they finally made a dent in Theresa May's Brexit plans as they put forward a bewildering array of new clauses and amendments to the Article 50 bill.

Nine proposals in all, ranging from the rights of EU migrants to the opinions of the Gibraltar Government, were put to the vote, and one by one all nine proposals were thrown out by MPs.

It was a flawless night for Theresa May, as the EU (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill was passed by 494 votes to 122 in its original, unamended form.

Good luck and godspeed my little brexiteers.

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Boldly going where no Poms have gone before.

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We are so totally fucked for the next 20 years, until all the 20-something's get into power and drag ourselves back to something approaching sanity.
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you think your people have problems?

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Yeah, think of the poor fuckers in Syria.
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Well I guess with Trump in power we have the blessed relief of nuclear armageddon to look forward to, so there's that.
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You lot are going to have trouble even feeding yourselves. The EU will make a mint out of this.

Great lettuce crisis is a taste of climate crop chaos to come

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As it turns out, half of all vegetables eaten in the UK are grown overseas. In winter, most come from southern Spain's Murcia, Almeria and Valencia regions. But recent extreme weather, including flooding, snow and poor light, have left entire fields of salad crops lying frozen, to spoil, in the solid ground.

If there's one thing this can teach us, it's the extent to which climate change can wreak havoc on food grown for the world's wealthy. Europe is likely to see far more freak weather events of this sort, if global temperatures increase by 2 °C.

Yet most of us cling to the idea that in a warmer world, food shortages will be a problem for someone else, somewhere else. We assume they will particularly affect those who already struggle to feed themselves - the world's most vulnerable, in Africa and parts of Asia - whose staple crops will probably struggle. Or the peasants of Mexico who, in recent years, took to the streets amid a "tortilla crisis" as the price of maize soared.

Make no mistake, the world's poor will be the worst affected. But rarely do we see ourselves as part of this problem, one in which courgettes and iceberg lettuces become luxuries, or have to be swapped for plain old cabbages and turnips. Perhaps that's why we are so desperately under-prepared for the shortages and price spikes that may ensue in a climate-altered future.

Recently, the UK government came under fire from the Food Ethics Council, a UK charity, for failing to heed a warning of the urgent need to protect the UK food system against the threat of climate change.

The warning was issued last year in a report by the Committee on Climate Change - an independent advisory body based in London. It listed food security as one of the six top climate risks to the UK, and called for policy changes to deal with possible price rises. The government dismissed the concerns, arguing that "the resilience of food supply chains is regularly tested by severe weather and other events, and consistently performs well".

In light of the lettuce crisis - which surely indicates otherwise - the government would be prudent to rethink its position.
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Hey this has some good points (also some ranting, but whatever).

Why Brexit, in the Trump era, is a threat to Britain's national security

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Something similar seems to have happened in Brexiting Britain. A format of preoccupations and emotions, shaped back in 2015, still exerts control. This might explain why a fact that's obvious, from an American perch, apparently has escaped the notice of a lot of Britons and their parliamentarians. As they argue with Lilliputian ferocity about hypothetical trading scenarios and legislative technicalities and putative "deals", the UK faces its gravest national security threat since the second world war. The threat comes from here, the United States.
I have to say that, from an outsider's perspective, the behaviour of most of the UK parliament does appear to be Lilliputian and delusional. It's almost as if the silly buggers think they still rule an empire.
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Most of the Hard Brexit loons still think they do. There's this belief that because the empire wasn't lost through wars of independence, other than the one that happened before the empire that everyone thinks of, and is still part of living memory for some people, that we still have one, and we can just go back to hanging out with them, despite the fact that they're all going to want significant concessions on migration, and while I'm sure Farage and the rest of the UKIP racists don't object to Canucks and Aussies coming over here, you can bet they'll have conniptions if Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis can move over more easily. And its not as if there aren't sizeable populations of them here already.
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Yeah most of the old empire was full of non-white people. I think Aus and Canada were about the only white bits. And AFAIK Aus has bugger all trade with the UK these days, and nothing that it would really miss. We do a fair bit with the EU, but very little with the UK per se, AFAIK.
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I think all Australia sends us is bar staff and vegemite to relieve their homesickness.
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Our expats must be good for your brewers.
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Hey if things get too rough over there you can move out here. Pauline will let you in, then you can vote against the silly bitch.
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Our expats must be good for your brewers.
Have you drunk Fosters? Everything's craft brewing over here now, we'll be stealing West Coast hipster liberals fleeing Trump.
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Yes, I have drunk Fosters. That's why I don't drink it. Or VB. Or XXXX. Or any of the other crap some idiots think is beer.

We have a thriving craft brewing scene over here too. :)
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Oh I see what happened. What I meant was the Aussie expats would drink lots of your beer.
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Oh I see what happened. What I meant was the Aussie expats would drink lots of your beer.

Which would include Fosters. Coz noone drinks it here.

It's what plants crave.

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Doe anyone actually drink it anywhere?
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Oh I see what happened. What I meant was the Aussie expats would drink lots of your beer.

Which would include Fosters. Coz noone drinks it here.
Fosters is brewed under license in the UK, so its not as if you send it to us.
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Oh I see what happened. What I meant was the Aussie expats would drink lots of your beer.

Which would include Fosters. Coz noone drinks it here.
Fosters is brewed under license in the UK, so its not as if you send it to us.

It's brewed here in the US as well.

Between Ken Ham and Foster's, Ham only slightly beats out Foster's on the Top two things I'd like to send back to Straya list.
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Feed some to Trump. See if it poisons him.
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So the Brexiteers are still completely bonkers. The Europeans are being straightforward about their position, but it's just not getting through little imperial concrete skulls.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/20/divide-and-rule-tactics-could-leave-uk-without-deal-say-eu-politicians

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While breezily dismissed by British ministers, including the foreign secretary, with suggestions that the value of prosecco, BMW and cheese exports will guarantee the UK a good deal, the EU27 have shown remarkable consistency on their Brexit red lines since the days after the UK referendum.

These have focused on issues such as no negotiations before notification, the indivisibility of the single market's four freedoms, particularly free movement, and the impossibility of having your cake and eating it - or "cherry-picking", as Merkel has repeatedly called it.

Nor is it just politicians showing unity. Continental businesspeople, including German car industry bosses, have repeatedly indicated they are willing to take a hit to their bottom lines from inferior trade terms with the UK if it means securing the integrity and continued stability of the single market.

"I don't think the UK has fully understood that for the most part both politicians and businessmen in Europe still really value the EU and the single market and think it something that is worth fighting for," one Brussels diplomat said. "Economic rationality will not be the deciding factor here."

The EU27 are also well aware that once article 50 has been triggered, the clock starts ticking on a two-year negotiating period in which the pressure is plainly on the British. For the EU27, only one thing really matters in Brexit, as Malta's prime minister, Joseph Muscat, among several others has repeatedly made plain.

"We want a fair deal for the UK," Muscat said. "But that deal needs to be inferior to membership ... Thinking it can be otherwise indicates a detachment from reality."

Few on the continent seem convinced Britain has grasped this. "At the moment, it seems like Mrs May thinks of the EU as a restaurant where she can walk in order everything on the menu and then demand that the restaurant itself pays the bill," the former Bulgarian prime minister Sergei Stanishev said last week.

"My view this is creating an illusion for domestic purposes, or it's wishful thinking."
This is going to be amusing to watch.

"I say, those rotters are standing up to us! Us! We're British! They can't do that!"

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have they a queen?  no??  then it's sorted!

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Actually they have several.
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Brussels focuses on UK's €60bn exit bill before trade talks

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The EU's Brexit negotiators expect to spend until Christmas {2017} solely discussing Britain's divorce from the bloc, denying London any trade talks until progress is made on a €60bn exit bill and the rights of expatriate citizens.
so the first year of talks with Article 50 imposed is about the divorce, not the eventual working agreement

At what point does a mis-informed and mis-led electorate get a pass to nullify or do-over this mess?  Considering the list of unknowns (that have been discovered since the vote) FAR exceed the knowns at the time of the vote, and also that the vote was non-binding in the first place, wouldn't an election be the proper response to this mess?

Or is the Tory take-over of the country just another fait accompli and their saving face and "getting on with it" is more important than the damage to the country as a whole.