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Georgia 6th Special Election
Which is the more correct interpretation of the outcome of today's special election in Georgia's 6th Congressional district?



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  • el jefe
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Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #1
correct interpretation is that it sucks, but democrats shouldn't be shocked.  it was a deep red district.

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Reply #2
What if both interpretations are equally correct?  :ohmy:

  • MikeS
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Reply #3
Both Sides!

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Reply #4
Gotta think the GOP will consider this when deciding whether to work with or against the Trump impeachment.

  • Doobie Keebler
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Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #5
What if both interpretations are equally correct?  :ohmy:
Both Sides!

 Schrödinger's something something.
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  • ksen
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
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I read (in the Atlantic?) that Ossoff basically ran as a blank slate nice guy.

As Hillary proved you have to give people something to vote for.  Just not being the other guy is not enough to win elections.

Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #7
He ran on some boring centrism platform like "cut wasteful spending!" and did zero campaigning trying to tie Handel to Trump or hitting her hard over "gays don't get families" or "I don't support a living wage."

There are a lot of things to criticize about his campaign in hindsight, and I don't know if focusing on Trump or running populist/berniecrat in that district would have made a difference. Maybe no D could win that area regardless. Turnout was way, way up for both candidates. What I don't like about that is that we're not really seeing any demoralizing effects from Trump on Republican voters. They're going to keep enthusiastically voting for garbage candidates.

That SC race being any thing close to competitive was pretty interesting, though.

  • ksen
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
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He ran on some boring centrism platform like "cut wasteful spending!" and did zero campaigning trying to tie Handel to Trump or hitting her hard over "gays don't get families" or "I don't support a living wage."

There are a lot of things to criticize about his campaign in hindsight, and I don't know if focusing on Trump or running populist/berniecrat in that district would have made a difference. Maybe no D could win that area regardless. Turnout was way, way up for both candidates. What I don't like about that is that we're not really seeing any demoralizing effects from Trump on Republican voters. They're going to keep enthusiastically voting for garbage candidates.

No, not every district needs a Berniecrat running in it.  But the candidate should clearly stand for something.

Ossoff couldn't even vote for himself since he didn't live in the district.  That can't win you very many votes by itself.

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That SC race being any thing close to competitive was pretty interesting, though.

Mm-hmm.  Kind of illustrates that maybe the DNC still hasn't wrapped its head around how to figure out which races to concentrate on.

Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
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The DNC sucks and the worst outcome of Bernie's run is people thinking it's much more important than it really is.

There's also the argument that the SC was close because it flew under the radar and if it had become a national race like GA, it wouldn't have been nearly as close.

  • meepmeep
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Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #10
Yes, now that I have the election results, it's so obvious which races we should've focused on! Boy, everyone else is such a dummy.

I doubt a populist campaign would've helped. Wealthy white people who settled in the suburbs because of the blacks don't give a single fuck about a living wage, so that comment was never going to hurt  Handel. Maybe mentioning Trump more could've helped but it also could've backfired.

As for the money, if he had won by a single vote, everyone would be talking about money well spent. And let's not forget that Handel's campaign spent considerably more.

Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #11
bernie would have one

  • meepmeep
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  • zombiecat queen
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #12
I will destroy you.

Also it's worth noting that Obama did worse than Clinton so maybe this Ossoff underperformed compared to Clinton take isn't exactly the right framing. Maybe it's Clinton who overperformed.

And it's funny how "is Republican and not the other side" is more than enough for a Republican to win an election in a district that's heavily Republican but the real problem is the Democrats haven't convinced enough Republicans to vote for them because the Democratic candidate wasn't far left enough. Lol.

  • uncool
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #13
As for the money, if he had won by a single vote, everyone would be talking about money well spent. And let's not forget that Handel's campaign spent considerably more.
Really? I've been seeing the opposite claims.

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Reply #14
I will destroy you.

Also it's worth noting that Obama did worse than Clinton so maybe this Ossoff underperformed compared to Clinton take isn't exactly the right framing. Maybe it's Clinton who overperformed.

And it's funny how "is Republican and not the other side" is more than enough for a Republican to win an election in a district that's heavily Republican but the real problem is the Democrats haven't convinced enough Republicans to vote for them because the Democratic candidate wasn't far left enough. Lol.

Nobody should give a shit about trying to reach shithead Republican voters. Dems need to figure out how to get non-voters out to the polls or they'll keep getting crushed.

IF they can take back the House, though, it's going to be thanks in part to shitty centrist candidates like Ossof in slightly less Republican areas, and it's going to make the left wing so mad.

  • ksen
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #15
Yes, now that I have the election results, it's so obvious which races we should've focused on! Boy, everyone else is such a dummy.

There have only been a handful of pretty spaced out special elections so far.  If the DNC can't manage to put focus and resources on those few elections I'm doubtful they'll be able to pull off a coherent 50 state strategy when every district is up for grabs.

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I doubt a populist campaign would've helped.

No, it probably wouldn't have helped in Georgia 6.  I know I'm not saying it would have helped.

I'm saying that running as a blank slate and not even being able to vote in that district isn't a winning election strategy.

But, thinking about it some more, once the primary voting starts the DNC has very little say over who wins the nomination and they're stuck with the candidate the primary voters shit out.  So maybe they don't deserve as much blame as I want to give them.

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #16
Red state or not, centrist or populist, seasoned pol or newbie...
Whatever.

I am disheartened beyond words that this race was even close after five months of the escalating shit-show in Washington.  :sadcheer:

< heavy sigh > 
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #17
I will destroy you.

Also it's worth noting that Obama did worse than Clinton so maybe this Ossoff underperformed compared to Clinton take isn't exactly the right framing. Maybe it's Clinton who overperformed.

And it's funny how "is Republican and not the other side" is more than enough for a Republican to win an election in a district that's heavily Republican but the real problem is the Democrats haven't convinced enough Republicans to vote for them because the Democratic candidate wasn't far left enough. Lol.

Nobody should give a shit about trying to reach shithead Republican voters. Dems need to figure out how to get non-voters out to the polls or they'll keep getting crushed.

IF they can take back the House, though, it's going to be thanks in part to shitty centrist candidates like Ossof in slightly less Republican areas, and it's going to make the left wing so mad.
these special elections are all in districts they had close to zero chance of winning anyway.  it doesn't tell us how they will do in swing districts that actually decide control of the house.

Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #18
Frank Rich wrote an article in the New Yorker some time ago entitled No Sympathy for the Hillbilly. My first instinct was to kind of fight the sentiment that Rich was writing about, but a lot of what he says makes sense to me. I later heard him on We The People Live Podcast where he expanded on his remarks. (Great podcast if you're into listening to such things by the way).


It is hard to try to remain sympathetic to people that continuously vote aganst their own best interest, would follow Trump off a cliff, and think they have cornered the market on patriotism.

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-Sir Francis Bacon

  • meepmeep
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Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #19
It is hard to try to remain sympathetic to people that continuously vote aganst their own best interest, would follow Trump off a cliff, and think they have cornered the market on patriotism.

In this case, I don't think the predominant demographic voted against their interest. Upper class white people's main interest is taxes, and Republicans cut taxes, so they're naturally inclined to vote Republican. I think Trump didn't do as well in the district because he is Trump, but Handel is not Trump. She maintained a bit of distance between herself and Trump, enough to make it easy for voters who don't like Trump to vote for her anyway because, what the hell, who cares about the rest of that bullshit as long as she's going to cut my taxes?

The thing about Republicans not liking Trump is that many of them take issue with his style more than his substance. If he stopped tweeting and learned to keep his mouth shut and listen to his handlers, they'd support him completely.

Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #20
democrats over-performing in all these races they should have no chance of coming close to winning, whether they run progressives or moderates, seems to indicate to me at least that they don't really need to be skittish in actually competitive races.

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anyway, gonna crosspost this red-hottest of takes:

A FRESH HOT TAKE APPEARS: Left-wing politics will be the demise of the Democratic Party

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You don't have to be a seasoned political operative to question the logic behind Democrats investing so much money into a congressional district that has gone Republican for nearly 40 years, yet that is exactly what the Democratic Party did.

They believed they could switch moderate Republican voters to vote for a Democratic candidate and mobilize Independents by spouting a progressive message, which is philosophically antithetical to the values held by most voters -- such as limited government due to a fear of government encroachment and excessive regulation -- as well as utopian ideas about society, which many frankly believe are unrealistic.

Grand visions about the future are typically distrusted by most people regardless of their ideological leanings because people live in reality, and nothing in reality happens overnight. Most Americans want pragmatism that builds toward a better tomorrow, rather than grandiose promises built on unproven ideas.
 
Maybe the intent of progressive Democrats is good. Maybe it isn't. However, what is most concerning about progressive ideology is that it maintains the belief that ultimate good comes from a centrally planned state or in essence the government. Similar to socialism, progressivism advocates for a government built on compulsory force.

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Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #22
Grand visions about the future are typically distrusted by most people

tbf trump did lose the popular vote

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Reply #23

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Georgia 6th Special Election
Reply #24
I was wondering about that ^^