Slavery: Lincoln stated emphatically that he had "...no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." ... Protection of slavery: Lincoln explicitly stated that he had no objection to the proposed Corwin Amendment to the Constitution, which had already been approved by both houses of the United States Congress. This amendment would have formally protected slavery in those states in which it already existed, and assured to each state the right to establish or repudiate it. Lincoln indicated that he thought that this right was already protected in the original Constitution, and thus that the Corwin Amendment merely reiterated what it already contained. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln%27s_first_inaugural_address
Did not read.Kill all white people.
Quote from: Spode on January 04, 2018, 09:14:33 PMDid not read.Kill all white people.I just read the date of the debate: 7-7-2013and the results:a grand total of 2 votes were submitted and debator TheYummyCod was declared the winner of those 2 votes.
Hate to break it to you, but the Irish Celts were Indo-European, which means their legends were too.
I'd be surprised if someone hadn't. I wouldn't expect the first documentation on the Picts to wait for the 1960's. But the Picts weren't Irish Celts anyway (although they were still Indo-European).
Good jumping off point found here ... http://www.debate.org/debates/Slavery-was-not-the-Primary-Cause-of-the-Civil-War/1/
The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration delivered by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861.Delivered extemporaneously a few weeks before the Confederacy would start the American Civil War by firing on the U.S. Army at Fort Sumter, Stephens' speech applauded white supremacy, defended the enslavement of Africans and African Americans, explained the fundamental differences between the constitutions of the Confederacy and that of the United States, enumerated contrasts between U.S. and Confederate ideologies and beliefs, and laid out the Confederacy's causes for declaring secession.
Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
Anyway, this thing about Dave defending the Confederacy is funny. He obviously knows fuck all about the subject.
If the reason for secession was Slavery, then there would be no reason to secede, because Lincoln wasn't planning to abolish slavery anyways.
Notice the date of Lincoln's inauguration ... March 4, 1861 ... Lincoln made it very clear he would not try to stop slavery. Does anyone here question this?
Then A BIT OVER A MONTH LATER ... April 12, 1861 ... Confederates bombarded Ft. Sumter. Surely you will not try to tell me that the Confederates heard the speech, concluded that they were going to lose their slaves, and started bombing? Surely you will not take that position? Will you?
Notice also this paragraph in the Wiki article on Lincoln's inaugural address ... "Use of force: Lincoln promised that there would be no use of force against the South, unless it proved necessary for him to fulfill his obligation to "hold, occupy, and possess the property and places" belonging to the federal government, and to collect legal duties and imposts. However, if the South chose to actively take up arms against the Government, their insurrection would meet a firm and forceful response."
Quote from: osmanthus on January 05, 2018, 04:22:14 AMDave, if you're all about FREEDOMTM then why the fuck are you defending the Confederacy? Bit daft for a bloke who's into freedom to be defending a bunch of slavers.Well to be honest, I've never really looked into the details of actual history surrounding the Civil War and never read any original documents ... I've just dutifully swallowed what's been fed to me by the school system. Were you aware that Lincoln did NOT make slavery an issue in his first inaugural address? I was not. In fact, Lincoln made it very clear he was NOT planning to change the institution of slavery where it existed. Another question for you ... have you ever looked into the "industrial slavery" of white people in the North? Do you know how their living / working conditions compared to the "farm slavery" of blacks in the South? One more question ... do you know which slaves were primarily engaged in the slave brokering business? Southern or Northern? If you like, please copy these questions to the appropriate thread and answer them there. Thanks.
Dave, if you're all about FREEDOMTM then why the fuck are you defending the Confederacy? Bit daft for a bloke who's into freedom to be defending a bunch of slavers.
The 'Cornerstone'Stephens' speech declared that disagreements over the enslavement of Africans was the "immediate cause" of secession, and that the Confederate Constitution had resolved such issues: "The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions--African slavery as it exists among us--the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it--when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
"Use of force: Lincoln promised that there would be no use of force against the South, unless it proved necessary for him to fulfill his obligation to "hold, occupy, and possess the property and places" belonging to the federal government, [like Ft. Sumter] and to collect legal duties and imposts. However, if the South chose to actively take up arms against the Government, their insurrection would meet a firm and forceful response."
Fort Sumter is an island fortification located in Charleston Harbor, South Carolina. Originally constructed in 1829 as a coastal garrison, Fort Sumter is most famous for being the site of the first shots of the Civil War (1861-65). U.S. Major Robert Anderson occupied the unfinished fort in December 1860 following South Carolina's secession from the Union, initiating a standoff with the state's militia forces. When President Abraham Lincoln announced plans to resupply the fort, Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard bombarded Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861. After a 34-hour exchange of artillery fire, Anderson and 86 soldiers surrendered the fort on April 13. Confederate troops then occupied Fort Sumter for nearly four years, resisting several bombardments by Union forces before abandoning the garrison prior to William T. Sherman's capture of Charleston in February 1865. After the Civil War, Fort Sumter was restored by the U.S. military and manned during the Spanish-American War (1898), World War I (1914-18) and World War II (1939-45). http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/fort-sumter