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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #25
Everyone laughed at Columbus not because they thought the work was flat, but because they thought it was much bigger than he did, and he'd die before he got to the Indes. Turns out they were right.
Why do I bother?

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #26
for a set of further examples, there is the tendency of the human race to give credit where it isn't due.  discoveries are almost never credited to the person who actually made them.  and when we consider people to be geniuses (whether scientific, military, political, etc.), that is largely a function of luck and the dumb human need to worship heroes.
Actually it is often a small group that re-writes history and steals credit, and most people are gullible sheep who swallow what the wolves feed them. 
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #27
TioH, do you know of any historians who have examined the connections between the emergence of compulsory education in the US and the civil war/ secession decision? Not saying it led to or anything about causation, just wondering if anyone has followed those threads together.
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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #28
can't say that i do, sorry!

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Reply #29
Damn. Thanks anyway.
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if you give it away you'll have so many
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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #30
I always liked the story of how Joe Medicine Crow became the last of the Crow nation warchiefs. Pretty cool, and true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow

Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #31

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #32
you see what I mean?  the good stories are all bullshit.
That has been true since the time we started telling stories.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #33
Isn't that story about the last words of the Cuban rebel prince true? Las Casas reported it, and he could conceivably have made it up, as he was trying to show the torment of the natives (being the "strange variation of a philanthropist" and all). It does sound like something that one such as Hatuey could have said, however.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #34
just going to use this thread to post whatever history shit i want

today 102 years ago union organizer joe hill was murdered by the state for singing songs that inspired working people.

(technically it was for a murder he didn't commit, he was charged on entirely circumstantial evidence in a joke of a trial.)

his last will was that his comrades "don't mourn, organize!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YJ55KT_5Q8

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If the workers take a notion,
They can stop all speeding trains;
Every ship upon the ocean
They can tie with mighty chains.
Every wheel in the creation,
Every mine and every mill,
Fleets and armies of the nation,
Will at their command stand still.

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #35
just going to use this thread to post whatever history shit i want

today 102 years ago union organizer joe hill was murdered by the state for singing songs that inspired working people.

(technically it was for a murder he didn't commit, he was charged on entirely circumstantial evidence in a joke of a trial.)

his last will was that his comrades "don't mourn, organize!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YJ55KT_5Q8

Quote
If the workers take a notion,
They can stop all speeding trains;
Every ship upon the ocean
They can tie with mighty chains.
Every wheel in the creation,
Every mine and every mill,
Fleets and armies of the nation,
Will at their command stand still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUR2PDTptO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ellmj2KWBjI

Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #36
Churchill's famous exchange with Bessie Braddock was confirmed by a bodyguard who was present to witness it.



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Bessie Braddock MP: "Winston, you are drunk, and what's more you are disgustingly drunk."

WSC: Bessie, my dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.

As the author in the link above observes, Churchill was riffing off of WC Fields, but that doesn't detract from the story, in my opinion.

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #37
Speaking of Churchill and old comedians, there's an anecdote that when Churchill was informed that Rudolf Hess had landed in Scotland in May 1941, he said "Hess or no Hess, I'm going to watch the Marx Brothers." Apparently the quote was something more like "We are seeing the Marx Brothers, so don't try that joke on me." Also, different accounts (including Groucho's) will tell you different stories about which Marx Bros. film it was. In reality, it seems, the particular film was never specified. But apparently it is true that Chrurchill was more interested in the Marx Bros. than Rudolf Hess that day.

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Reply #38


(don't think this is actually true unless you count the napoleonic wars as part of the thermidorian reaction but w/e dgaf)

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #39
maybe you could do a war nerd knockoff blog.  make money off ads.

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #40
here's a mind blowing story that is real:  Japanese holdouts

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout

some of them didn't come out of the jungle until the mid-70s.  that's dedication.

Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #41
Gilligans island made some great hay from that
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 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #42
here's a legit one

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmer_McLean

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The war began in my front yard and ended in my front parlor.

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #44
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However, much earlier in our national experience, there was a different mechanism of cohesion. Between the early 1760s, when revolutionary sentiment began to stir in the North American colonies, and the Spanish-American War in 1898, Americans repeatedly employed compromise. Or perhaps that should be Compromise -- as in the Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850 and the Compromise of 1877.

lolllllllllllllllllllll

eta: hope to god this is some jonathan swift shit

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #45
no I think the guy is serious

Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #46
oh my god.

"yeah more compromise to ease partisan deadlock, you know, like the 3/5th compromise" is political gallows humor for historians, not a real ideal holy shit

here is a good take to wash the taste out: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/slavery-civil-war-republicans-confederacy-abolition-lincoln

Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #47
That guy looks exactly how you think he'd look.  I skimmed the titles of his other WaPo articles and most look pretty awful.

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Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #48
oh my god.

"yeah more compromise to ease partisan deadlock, you know, like the 3/5th compromise" is political gallows humor for historians, not a real ideal holy shit

here is a good take to wash the taste out: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/slavery-civil-war-republicans-confederacy-abolition-lincoln
Going to have to read this.

Actually, on the topic of early US history, do you have any recommendations for books on the early settlement through the Indian War?

Re: gunnerj callout: are there any good historical anecdotes that aren't bullshit?
Reply #49
A people's history of the United States.