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Messages - Faid

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No real geneticists talk about "recombination" = "error"
Funny you should say that.
Quote from: real geneticist
Errors Are a Natural Part of DNA Replication

Should we take the word of "real geneticist" for one thing, but not the other? And by what criteria?
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BTW dave: How many alleles did Adam have for each gene?

Do you remember the answer (that you had supposedly "answered by yourself" back then)?
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I love how the very next sentence after dave's quote is "Errors Are a Natural Part of DNA Replication". :rofl:
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It seems that the official WH position is that nothing in the memo says there was any collusion, so Trump is vindicated.

For reals.
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Oh crap I'm on the wrong thread.
Now you know how a translocated codon feels
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I refuse to entertain this perennial bullshit nonsense about copying errors in DNA not being mistakes. Utterly ridiculous and I refuse to waste my time.
How does a chemical reaction make a mistake?
By not copying the correct thing from the template. I don't know ... go ask a biochemist. It's them saying it, not me.

We know you don't know.  That's exactly the point we are making. You are simply bullshitting.

You can't even grasp the difference between somatic and germline mutations, or understand that bacteria reproduce by copying themselves, while multicellular sexually reproducing organisms like people and sheep (which was where this discussion started, remember) don't.


Look you idiot I know enough to be able to read what a biochemist says about copying errors in DNA. Jesus Christ you're an idiot.

Why are we even talking about this stupid shit anyway?

This Thread is about the economics of saving Agriculture and I'm really interested in trying to figure out how to enable people to recolonize the land without breaking the bank.
Lol. Feeling a little confused there, buddy?
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And now we wait, as dave himself waits for the alt-right commissars to make up the story he has to parrot.
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I refuse to entertain this perennial bullshit nonsense about copying errors in DNA not being mistakes. Utterly ridiculous and I refuse to waste my time.
How does a chemical reaction make a mistake?
By not copying the correct thing from the template. I don't know ... go ask a biochemist. It's them saying it, not me.
Hey dave, isn't it true that, in the real world, there are many shades of meaning that people attach to various words? Don't we only get the detailed view of what they mean when we hear them describe what they mean?
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I refuse to entertain this perennial bullshit nonsense about copying errors in DNA not being mistakes. Utterly ridiculous and I refuse to waste my time.
Oooooof course you do.

Tell me though: Who are YOU to claim that some part, however rare, in the process of that Hyper-Complex Software that God has Desinged, is an "error"? How dare you call it a "mistake"? How can you claim that a feature seen in the mechanisms GOD has set in motion are mistakes, and it's "ridiculous" to claim otherwise? Are you THAT arrogant?
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Pingu: "mutations aren't mistakes."

Ayala:

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Ayala, Francisco J., "The Mechanisms of Evolution," Scientific American, vol. 239 (September 1978), pp. 56-69.
p. 58
"A mutation can be considered an error in the replication of DNA prior to its translation into protein."

Lol

Important Words: "can be considered"

Subtle distinctions in the definition and interpretation of words: consider: "error" vs "mistake"
Don't be silly. It's not like:
In the real world (as opposed to your fantasy world) there are many shades of meaning that people attach to various words.  We only get the detailed view of what they mean when we hear them describe what they mean.
...That would be preposterous! Walks like a duck, it's a fucking duck I tells ya!
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Looks like a duck.

Walks like a duck.

Quacks like a duck.
Therefore, it's a fish.
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Dave's definition of "random" is "not by God", apparently.

It's a regular problem in the ID set - they have no idea what they mean by the word.  Not helped by people like Dawkins who have no idea either.

I've heard people use it to mean:

"unintentional"
"orthogonal to fitness"
"drawn from an equiprobable distribution"
"drawn from a distribution"
"unmodeled variance"
"caused by unknown factors"
"accidental"
"stochastic"

IDists equivocate between these meanings at will.
My favorite is "something out of a random number generator"- which of course violates the first rule of definitions.
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Science / Re: Re: Those footprints in Crete
I tried a general search for 'footprints' and Crete' and failed. I remembered posting in the thread so I searched through my own posts with the term 'Crete'. That worked for some reason.
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Dave's definition of "random" is "not by God", apparently.
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Aaaaand he badgered. No surprise there.

He'll return later with some other, irrelevant rant from his favorite blogs, as if nothing happened.
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If anyone cares to contribute on this in this section, please do.
We appreciate your courtesy, Dr. Pterosaur, but we would never dream of dismissing your previous stated request.
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Or start up a new thread on it in the Science section if that is your preference.
Who are WE to start threads to pontificate on a subject that is clearly Dr. Pterosaur's expertise! The sheer arrogance that would display!
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Aaaaand it now seems he's made an entire thread based on that flawed reasoning. Oh well.
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It's dave's usual shtick. He glorifies any similarities between two things, to claim they are the same (organisms are like machines, therefore organisms are machines), and then dismisses the -often quite more prominent- differences as merely a result of increased complexity or "sophistication" (organisns are not like [other] machines because organisms are really sophisticated machines).

It's not much, but it's all he has. It's all he ever had.
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Seriously, "Atomwaffen"? Is that a reused old term? Because it sounds like something straight out of fucking Iron Sky.
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To make the point that biology looks nothing like programming.
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Too bad there was a also a change of forums.
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Aaaand que half a dozen posts explaining how stupid that was, followed by dave saying 'chill Darwin Clubbers, I was just joking' (because he realized how stupid that was)
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Hey Dave, do you know where your GOP Governor is tonight?
lol, party of family values
Can't have families without a little hanky panky :wave:
OK I just read what that was all about.

dave, I admit I'm having some difficulty discerning if YOU ARE FUCKING SERIOUS HERE. Care to elaborate?
It's a joke.
Imagine someone doing that to your daughter, then tell me if you'd laugh if someone else joked about it and called it 'hanky-panky".
"Hey, I was just poking fun at the guy! Sheesh! Um what are you doing with that machette"