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The Daily News won a judgement in NYC that could have direct and immediate effect on the White House's propensity to mess with the access of various out of favor news organizations.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/judge-harder-w-h-block-press-briefings-article-1.2985062

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Glenn Beck/The Blaze has suspended Tomi Lahren for a week or possibly indefinitely.

Apparently over her mentioning that she's pro-choice and sees the issue as one of government overreach.

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Glenn Beck/The Blaze has suspended Tomi Lahren for a week or possibly indefinitely.

Apparently over her mentioning that she's pro-choice and sees the issue as one of government overreach.

So much for the tolerant left.

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Sorry, find it impossible to have any sympathy for Tomi Lahren

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The New York Times' twitter debut, 10 years ago.



I've seen suggestions that NYT should always start social media posts with "Word up!" It is I, the Gray Lady

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I think that would be fantastic.

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Guys, a guy I went to high school with and debated in Model Congress/UN was on Samantha Bee's show!

He founded a local paper in New Brunswick after graduating from Rutgers and has become a known muckracker and gadfly. He's been arrested at least twice now on bullshit charges that got dismissed. The cops in particular fucking hate him, and a lot of the local politicians are super rude to him when he shows up to public meetings to ask questions. A few months ago, someone sent him a water meter that suggested people at the water authority were rigging shit, and the cops were all over him trying to get the story quiet.

Anyway, here you go!

http://www.avclub.com/article/samantha-bee-tries-save-local-journalism-one-newsp-252584

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I saw that episode! He's doing important work!

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New York Times hired extreme climate denier Bret Stephens.  Their defense of the move:  "millions of people agree with him".

Truth is hard. 

NYT fails.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-york-times-defends-hiring-extreme-climate-denier-millions-agree-with-him-1655c23a524c

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Nyt can't get past ideology.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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New York Times hired extreme climate denier Bret Stephens.  Their defense of the move:  "millions of people agree with him".

Truth is hard. 

NYT fails.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-york-times-defends-hiring-extreme-climate-denier-millions-agree-with-him-1655c23a524c
The hiring was bad enough. Their excuse is far worse. They have moved into the fake news business.
Truth is out of style

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My friend/old classmate from high school wrote a thing!:
 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/03/31/our-biggest-mistake-in-the-fight-against-fake-news/
The author missed a point, a very important point"

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To be successful, Western governments need to focus on repairing the trust gap between citizens and media, and among citizens themselves. 

That should include repairing the trust gap between themselves and their citizenry. That's where the biggest gap exists and where it is most easily repaired.

Transparency is the first step towards honesty. 
Honesty is the first step towards trust.
Trust is the first step towards engagement.
Engagement is the first step towards understanding and equality.
Which is the first step towards freedom.

It's ours for free, if we want to have it. All we have to do is give up our secrecy.

Yes, I understand the reason for "secrets". You obviously do not want everyone to know your PIN for your various accounts. It's sad, but, yes, there are bad people out there, who would take advantage. But those "secrets" are a very vanishingly small percentage of what has become, regularly, "secret". i
Are we there yet?

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https://www.wikitribune.com/

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Wikitribune is a news platform that brings journalists and a community of volunteers together.

We want to make sure that you read fact-based articles that have a real impact in both local and global events. And that stories can be easily verified and improved.

The curating could be a troll-infested nightmare, but this sounds damned interesting.

And the reddit AMA from today: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/67vbyo/iama_jimmy_wales_from_wikipedia_and_as_of_this/

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Can somebody explain to me how canceling a NYT subscription is OMG RADICAL PROTEST and :stopper: an overreaction :stopper: ?

Like, I canceled my New Yorker subscription because, meh, I didn't really feel like paying for it anymore, and canceling because some business decision like hiring that moron for the op-ed board pissed you off seems like a better reason than my :effort: .  But I'm not some crazy, foaming at the mouth radical for canceling my New Yorker subscription, am I? Jesus fucking christ WHO CARES. People stop subscribing to things or patronizing specific businesses every day for the dumbest of reasons, but now you need a goddamn airtight legal argument to justify canceling a fucking newspaper subscription, gtfo.

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you sound like someone from new jersey.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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you sound like someone from new jersey.

My accent is neutral, you fucking son of a bitch. :whyyou:

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Yeah, that's pretty precious.  As though you actually owe the NYT that subscription and canceling it is unamerican.

I got into an argument with somebody on facebook earlier this week over boycotts.  He was arguing that if you're going to boycott one company because of something they do/don't do that you're opposed to, then you're duty bound to scrutinize every company you do business with to be sure no company that you disagree with gets your money.

As though

- if you can't do all that research then you should ignore what you actually do learn about shady business practices or ideologies, no matter how egregious to your own values.
- all transgressions are equal in magnitude.

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I got into an argument with somebody on facebook earlier this week over boycotts.  He was arguing that if you're going to boycott one company because of something they do/don't do that you're opposed to, then you're duty bound to scrutinize every company you do business with to be sure no company that you disagree with gets your money.

What a stupid argument, for exactly the reasons you mention.

Politics aside, who the fuck is 100% consistent about the businesses they patronize? People "boycott" plenty of businesses for minor reasons, especially when they have options. I never had to officially boycott Papa John's, for instance, because their garbage food made me naturally boycott them. :v: And I stopped going out of my way to occasionally hit up Trader Joe's back in NY because this one cashier was a total fucking asshole to me once, but I still go to my very poorly managed neighborhood supermarket here where the cashiers often don't even say hello because it's one of a grand total of 2 options within walking distance and it's the most convenient one. Oh noes, I'm being a hypocrite, aren't I? :ohdear:

lol incidentally this reminds me of my dad's lifelong vendetta against American Express. When he first came to this country and tried to establish credit, they rejected him repeatedly. Then once he had a longer credit history and excellent credit score, they started sending him offers all the time. Every time they did, he wrote them a letter saying that since they rejected him when he needed them, he was now going to reject them for life.

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counterpoint: you could just respond "That's a valid argument" and ignore their opinion anyway
braying among the ruins

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just watch the pbs newshour

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I got into an argument with somebody on facebook earlier this week over boycotts.  He was arguing that if you're going to boycott one company because of something they do/don't do that you're opposed to, then you're duty bound to scrutinize every company you do business with to be sure no company that you disagree with gets your money.

What a stupid argument, for exactly the reasons you mention.

Politics aside, who the fuck is 100% consistent about the businesses they patronize? People "boycott" plenty of businesses for minor reasons, especially when they have options. I never had to officially boycott Papa John's, for instance, because their garbage food made me naturally boycott them. :v: And I stopped going out of my way to occasionally hit up Trader Joe's back in NY because this one cashier was a total fucking asshole to me once, but I still go to my very poorly managed neighborhood supermarket here where the cashiers often don't even say hello because it's one of a grand total of 2 options within walking distance and it's the most convenient one. Oh noes, I'm being a hypocrite, aren't I? :ohdear:

lol incidentally this reminds me of my dad's lifelong vendetta against American Express. When he first came to this country and tried to establish credit, they rejected him repeatedly. Then once he had a longer credit history and excellent credit score, they started sending him offers all the time. Every time they did, he wrote them a letter saying that since they rejected him when he needed them, he was now going to reject them for life.
I probably do more subconscious boycotts than I think. I haven't bought a Nestle product in decades and I don't really even think of it as a boycott. I just don't buy their products as a rule. I've never eaten at a chik fillet or carls jr for the same reason although I've had fast food probably ten times in the past 30 years so that probably doesn't count. I have only been inside a walmart maybe 5 times in my life but that probably has more to do with privilege, the relative lack of them in Portland, and being icked out by the inside of the stores. Still, it would never occur to me to shop at a walmart. I'm not even really sure what they sell although I know it's a broad selection.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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I boycott a lot of things that I don't want or need, regardless of whether I have some moral objection to them

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Another reminder that the nyt is trash, this time pulling "both sides" on pre existing conditions


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https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/10/tom-price-reporter-arrest/

Meanwhile, the NYT is starting a regular Say Something Nice About Trump column.