4e has some pretty clear flaws but i love the hell out of it for creating such a masterfully intricate and balanced tactical combat system. that's also a flaw, because so much weight it put into that aspect of the game that it swallows up 90% of play time.none of 4e's flaws have anything to do with being "tabletop WoW." the only things 4e has taken from MMOs are undeniable improvements, like mechanically solidifying character class roles to ensure balance and allow every player to have an impact. no classes overshadow others. there are no system mastery pitfalls. you will never be BMX bandit to the caster's angel summoner. "tabletop WoW" is the sort of thing you hear from bitter grognards ing into their neckbeards about how wi$$$ards of the co$t have betrayed them and gygax's ghost. yo check it, 3.5 can be fun in its own way, and you can still play it! in fact, paizo has been kind enough to continue developing it under the name "pathfinder" and older editions are still around and have the support of their dedicated enthusiasts and their retroclones. sometimes i feel this mindset creep into my own thoughts when i worry if 5e is going to bring back all the unbalanced suck of older editions to lure its fans back, then i realize that this is as dumb as being attached to a gaming platform or a mobile phone maker because who the fuck cares when some company does, if i ever have the opportunity to play these fucking games again my group can still play 4e if we want
fucking Advanced Squad Leader
Quote from: Worldtraveller on August 25, 2017, 02:31:55 PMfucking Advanced Squad LeaderI don't think I should admit how much $ I sank into that stuff...
Thanks! I'll probably try at least one of these next month and will let you and TG know how it goes.
Also, I was looking for tabletop space-themed 4X games, but most seemed too complex for me these days (not to mention expensive). I read, however, that the boardgame version of Space Empires (the old computer game series that ended ingloriously wth the spreadsheet nightmare that was SEV) is pretty good, and relatively cheap. I might give it a try as well, if I can convince the others to join me.