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  • ksen
2020 US Presidential Election
I know that normally the presidential election is considered started right after the mid-terms are over.  However, like Thanksgiving and Christmas, the start date keeps creeping earlier and earlier on the calendar.  Apparently the presidential election now starts 7 months into the new president's term.

Poll: Trump trails Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Booker in matchups

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President Trump trails former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and three Democratic senators in a new poll from a Democratic firm testing possible 2020 matchups.

The survey of registered voters, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found Trump trailing by wide margins against Sanders -- 52 percent to 39 percent -- and Biden -- 54 percent to 39 percent.

The poll also found Trump losing in hypothetical matchups against Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), although by smaller margins.

Trump trails Warren by 42 percent to 49 percent, Booker by 40 percent to 45 percent and Harris by 40 percent to 41 percent.

In a hypothetical race against Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Trump would see a tie, 40 percent to 40 percent.
The poll surveyed 836 registered voters between July 14 and 17 and has a plus or minus 3.4 percent margin of error.

So right now the fake polls say that pretty much any democrat would beat Trump.

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
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Apparently the presidential election now starts 7 months into the new president's term.

Trump filed paperwork for his re-election campaign the day of his inauguration.
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • ksen
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #2
Thank god I only have about 6 or 7 of these things left to go through.

  • ksen
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Apparently the presidential election now starts 7 months into the new president's term.

Trump filed paperwork for his re-election campaign the day of his inauguration.
I stand corrected.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #4
Oprah 2020

both to run and to beat trump

my libertarian bowling buddy predicts it.  he is wrong about most things, but on this point he may be right.  in fact, the more I think about it, the more I think it was a stroke of genius.

  • SkepticTank
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Apparently the presidential election now starts 7 months into the new president's term.

Trump filed paperwork for his re-election campaign the day of his inauguration.

And he's using that campaign money to pay his legal fees.

  • SkepticTank
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  • Calmer than you are
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Reply #6
my libertarian bowling buddy



? ? ?

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Reply #7
I'm cucked for Zuck!

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Reply #8
i am eternally trolled by the continued existence of the "draft bernie for a people's party" "movement"

couldn't find a better thread to post about this in, sorry

  • ksen
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Reply #9
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/344345-delaney-announces-presidential-bid-in-op-ed

First literally who Dem candidate to enter the race: Rep. John Delaney (D-Md.)

  • ksen
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #10
Delaney:

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"My focus is on preparing our country for the future. Technological innovation, automation and globalization are the most powerful forces in the world today," he wrote. "These forces have been enormously positive; they will continue to make life better, enhance productivity, solve some of the world's most difficult problems and open societies."

"Sadly, these forces will also eliminate certain jobs and require workers to learn new skills more quickly," he continued. "They will create security risks and strain our resources."

goddammit

  • tysixtus
  • SAMURAI DORUGO
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #11
I don't know if I can boost for Bernie again this time around.  It was too exhausting.  I might get on board with Biden if he decides to run, though he would be nearly 80 fuckin years old.

If the dems put Kamala Harris up, they will lose again.  I have a feeling there is some crazy lurking underneath there, and she will melt down if people start reading some of her dumber tweets on the air.  If they feel the reflexive need to run another minority -- and and I really think they will double down on this -- then Warren is the better choice, though the Pocahontas jokes will start immediately. 

I really liked Booker, but I was disappointed with his siding with Pharma.  I mean, I understand; all New Jersey has besides refineries and tomato gardens is pharmaceuticals.  But christ, man.

  • SkepticTank
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #12
I think Warren will be a problem with the gun crowd.  The right wing gun nuts always throw that at whatever democrat is running, but with Warren it would stick.

  • ToThePoint
  • search & destroy
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #13
The democratic candidate needs to be in their 50s or early 60s.
POTUS is no job for a geriatric man or woman.
"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #14
I think Warren will be a problem with the gun crowd.  The right wing gun nuts always throw that at whatever democrat is running, but with Warren it would stick.
Not a problem, just get a few gun nuts with Russian/Putin leanings to assassinate a couple of Congressional members (both Senate and House) and that issue will go away.

Hey, don't look at me. I'm a total clutz, I'd fuck up and kill myself with a gun long before I could even get withing 100 miles of the target. Wouldn't even have to get the ammunition into the local environment of the gun. Hell, I'm still not allowed near trees more than 8' tall unless there is 2' of foam rubber all around them out to a distance at least that of the height of the tree. (or other vertically oriented object). Even then, only with a EMT  team and transport standing by. Shit, I don't even get to tie my shoes, good thing since I don't have any tied shoes.
Are we there yet?

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President Trump trails former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and three Democratic senators in a new poll from a Democratic firm testing possible 2020 matchups.

The survey of registered voters, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found Trump trailing by wide margins against Sanders -- 52 percent to 39 percent -- and Biden -- 54 percent to 39 percent.

The poll also found Trump losing in hypothetical matchups against Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), although by smaller margins.

Trump trails Warren by 42 percent to 49 percent, Booker by 40 percent to 45 percent and Harris by 40 percent to 41 percent.

In a hypothetical race against Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Trump would see a tie, 40 percent to 40 percent.
The poll surveyed 836 registered voters between July 14 and 17 and has a plus or minus 3.4 percent margin of error.

Who cares. What about The Rock?

Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
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I don't know if I can boost for Bernie again this time around.  It was too exhausting.  I might get on board with Biden if he decides to run, though he would be nearly 80 fuckin years old.

If the dems put Kamala Harris up, they will lose again.  I have a feeling there is some crazy lurking underneath there, and she will melt down if people start reading some of her dumber tweets on the air. 
p. sure dumb tweets and related meltdowns are an asset in this brave new world, my friend

  • ksen

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who would give a single shit about "Pocahontas jokes" aside from MAGA morons?

  • ksen
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Reply #19
*fauxcahontas

  • meepmeep
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #20
If the Booker thing is about that bill to import drugs from Canada, then he made the right choice, and that bill deserved to be voted down.

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Reply #21
How so?  I mean, I know what his argument was, but it seemed pretty self serving.

  • meepmeep
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  • zombiecat queen
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #22
It's my understanding that Canada doesn't regulate and inspect drugs that are meant for export, and we don't have the funding or capacity to do our own testing and inspection of incoming drugs (or manufacturing facilities, obv), so imported drugs can't be properly controlled unless you're willing to trust manufacturers to behave themselves on their own. That's a big deal. Not an insurmountable problem on its own, but the bill didn't adequately address it.

Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #23
they aren't regulated or inspected along with the drugs from the same manufacturer that are not meant for export?

  • meepmeep
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  • zombiecat queen
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
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If it's marked as for export only, it is exempt from inspection. So even if the manufacturing facility itself passes inspection, the individual products marked for export only aren't checked, so you could easily have problems with shit like impurities, false advertising/labeling, etc.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/compliance-enforcement/importation-exportation/policy-health-products-under-food-drugs-act-regulations-0060.html#a53

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  • Bilirubin
  • Ain't nothing ta fuck wit'
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President Trump trails former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and three Democratic senators in a new poll from a Democratic firm testing possible 2020 matchups.

The survey of registered voters, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found Trump trailing by wide margins against Sanders -- 52 percent to 39 percent -- and Biden -- 54 percent to 39 percent.

The poll also found Trump losing in hypothetical matchups against Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), although by smaller margins.

Trump trails Warren by 42 percent to 49 percent, Booker by 40 percent to 45 percent and Harris by 40 percent to 41 percent.

In a hypothetical race against Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Trump would see a tie, 40 percent to 40 percent.
The poll surveyed 836 registered voters between July 14 and 17 and has a plus or minus 3.4 percent margin of error.

Who cares. What about The Rock?
He's a Republican and Canadian, although the latter also did not stop Ted Cruiz so vOv

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I don't know if I can boost for Bernie again this time around.  It was too exhausting.  I might get on board with Biden if he decides to run, though he would be nearly 80 fuckin years old.

Jimmy Carter was born Oct 01, 1924 (age 92)
Ronald Reagan lived Feb 06, 1911 - Jun 05, 2004 (age 93)
George H. W. Bush was born Jun 12, 1924 (age 93)
That's my grandparent's generation.

Bill Clinton was born Aug 19, 1946 (age 70)
Hillary Clinton was born Oct 26, 1947 (age 69)
Bernie Sanders was born Sep 08, 1941 (age 75)
Joe Biden was born Nov 20, 1942 (age 74)
Donald Trump was born Jun 14, 1946 (age 71)
That's my parent's generation.

Barack Obama was born Aug 04, 1961 (age 56)
Kamala Harris was born Oct 20, 1964 (age 52)
Cory Booker was born Apr 27, 1969 (age 48)
That's my generation.

At some point, if you're lucky, you have to take the car keys away from Mom or Dad.  We didn't do that in 2016, and now Dad's about to drive the Surburban into a ditch.

Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #29
When was the last time the incumbent pres was 'primaried', and what are guapo's odds that'll happen to the trumpster fire?

I don't even remember the last time an incumbent president really even had to run in the primary with any real effort.

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #30
When was the last time the incumbent pres was 'primaried', and what are guapo's odds that'll happen to the trumpster fire?

I don't even remember the last time an incumbent president really even had to run in the primary with any real effort.
Carter in 1980, I think.
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #31
technically, I think there are always a few primary challengers, but they are nobodies like lyndon Larouche.  as far as significant primary challengers to a sitting president seeking renomination, I can't think of any since rfk and humphrey against lbj in 68.  iirc, reagan might have challenged ford in 76, but it's debatable whether that counts.

eta: whoops, forgot about ted kennedy challenging carter in 1980.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
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Reply #32
fun fact:  according to jimmy carter, ted kennedy singlehandedly blew up his health care effort, because of political rivalry

Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #33
When was the last time the incumbent pres was 'primaried', and what are guapo's odds that'll happen to the trumpster fire?

I don't even remember the last time an incumbent president really even had to run in the primary with any real effort.

Obama almost lost the primary in WV in 2012 to an incarcerated man because wholly hell is WV racist

Long, strange trip for the state that originally started off by sticking with the Union over the treasonous slavers.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #34
to be empathetic, WV has been on the losing side of two recent things involving the democrats.  1) they have cared less and done less for unions, ever since bill clinton put them on this business-friendly trajectory.  2) obama actually took concrete action on climate change, which means putting the coal industry out of business.

whatever else might be said on these topics, they have screwed a lot of working class west virginians.  on #2, there isn't an easy solution, because calling global warming a hoax is not going to make it go away.  imo the solution is to make it up to the former coal workers with a ton of public assistance, including retraining, etc.

Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #35
at this point we either live under socialism or we live under water.

  • MikeS
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #36
whatever else might be said on these topics, they have screwed a lot of working class west virginians.  on #2, there isn't an easy solution, because calling global warming a hoax is not going to make it go away.  imo the solution is to make it up to the former coal workers with a ton of public assistance, including retraining, etc.
This a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario with West Virginia.  Although Bill Clinton, then Bush2 rolled back welfare for workers (lesser unemployment insurance, pushing retraining onto for profit schools, etc) coal started a resurgance with the energy price spike in the 2000s.  When the shit hit the fan in 2008/2009 economic crises, and natural gas fracking brought the energy market low, Obama was able to open up unemployment for greater than 1 year and went after the sham schools that were set up to indebt, not train, their students.  The Tea Party types started to roll back these benefits after 2010 such that when coal started declining the benefits on offer were not as generous.

But West Virginians didn't want any of it; they had been through boom and bust cycles before so they saw the environmental rules brought our by Obama as an assault against their lively hood and ignored any offer for "retraining".  All they wanted is a clear path forward to burn coal without understanding that natural gas fracking had already buried their industry, it was just the long slog through impoverishment to bankruptcy that was keeping the coal industry alive.

So all you had left was populism to promise the world to these "voters".  Roll back clean air rules, eliminate restrictions on mining like the clean water bills, open up exports, promise their jobs back.  These people stepped up and voted Trump Populism into office.  And over the last 6 months, when even THIS wasn't enough to stop coal demand from dropping, coal companies have been lobbying to congress to pass rules excepting coal power plants from closing for the next 2 years as an "emergency power generation" function; a request that even the Trump Department of Energy refused to consider.

Appalachian coal is becoming a niche mining industry to fill Metallurgical (Coking) coal demand from those mines who still have that type of deposit (around 30+% of the coal mined).  The only thermal coal work that will continue will be some of the larger low sulfur mines feeding remaining power plants in the east.  And this thermal coal will still be threatened by Powder River Basin coal from Wyoming where the seam is over 60 feet thick and can compete on the Mississippi and eastern ports with Appalachia coal costs.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #37
axios attempts to lay out the democrats' 2020 field. 
https://www.axios.com/dems-begin-lining-up-2020-staff-cash-2480249930.html

I will correct them here:
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* too old
** not likeable
*** boring (either old news or bland personality)
**** thin resume
***** outside mainstream


Watched most closely:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) **?, *****
Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) *
Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.)
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.) ***
Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.)
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo

The classics:
Joe Biden *
John Kerry *, **, ***
Al Gore *?, **, ***
former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley ***

Outsiders:
New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu - ****
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti - go back to the wire, littlefinger
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee
Colorado Gov. Hickenlooper

Has begun seeking staff:
Montana Gov. Steve Bullock
Sen. Chris Murphy (Conn.) ***
Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio) - ****

Many in Obamaworld like:
former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick
Rep. Seth Moulton (Mass) - ****
former Missouri SecState Jason Kander - ****

Many in Clintonworld like:
Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe - hate this guy.  he is incapable of smiling sincerely or talking differently from a used car saleman
former Ag Secretary and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack
former HUD Secretary Julian Castro

Possible if wins reelection:
Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio) - my current favorite.  he's from the rust belt, popular in his home state, swing-state ohio.  personally likeable and sincere.  positioned in the "obama zone", with one foot in both the progressive and moderate/establishment wings of the party.  lastly, he's a white guy, and I think the democrats would be slightly better off nominating white guys, as a tactical matter.  (white males as a group seem to be more turned off by candidates outside their group than any other demographic; women and nonwhites are used to candidates that don't look like them and aren't snowflakes about it.)

Wants to be mentioned:
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) ***

Wild cards:
Sen. Al Franken (Minn.) - no comedians, please. I know he's a good senator. he's also a comedian.
Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio *****
Rep. John Delaney (Md.) - who??

Non-politicians:
Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg can we please go back
Mark Cuban to taking the presidency seriously?  maybe I'm
The Rock just an out-of-touch elitist, but I think the
Starbucks Executive Chairman Howard Schultz presidency is an important
Disney CEO Bob Iger job, and we should have standards for who we hire for it.  this is real life, people.  not some game show.  it matters who we pick.
Oprah - ... wait a minute.  Oprah against trump is actually kind of ingenius...
George Clooney ...but back to what I was saying....
  • Last Edit: September 01, 2017, 11:39:57 AM by el jefe

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #38
Sen. Al Franken (Minn.) - no comedians, please. I know he's a good senator. he's also a comedian.
this reservation no longer holds, now that America has elected a "reality TV star / professional asshole" .
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #39
and my sincere hope is that we collectively remember that as a big mistake

  • MikeS
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #40
Sen. Al Franken (Minn.) - no comedians, please. I know he's a good senator. he's also a comedian.
this reservation no longer holds, now that America has elected a "reality TV star / professional asshole" .
I look forward to the word 'Douche' entering the political descriptive adjective mainstream.  It will be a South Park premonition fulfillment.

Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #41
Littlefinger was Martin O'Malley

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election
Reply #42
right, it's just that the names similar.  garcetti - carcetti (?)

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Reply #43
'Hardcore Prophecy: The Trump of Doom'

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This album tells the story of the 2020 presidential election.  The voice you hear is Dan Carlin, but he didn't say any of this stuff; the story was built from thousands of short audio clips from his podcasts (Common Sense and Hardcore History).  Dan Carlin is not responsible for any of the content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGYeTmHHZQM