fascinating reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/sunday/what-the-rich-wont-tell-you.html
i like this focus on bread quality in the guillotine thread tbh
"Do we want to live in such a fancy place? Do we want to deal with the person coming in and being like, 'Wow!' That wears on you. We're just not the type of people who wear it on our sleeve. We don't want that 'Wow.' " His wife, whom I interviewed separately, was so uneasy with the fact that they lived in a penthouse that she had asked the post office to change their mailing address so that it would include the floor number instead of "PH," a term she found "elite and snobby."My interviewees never talked about themselves as "rich" or "upper class," often preferring terms like "comfortable" or "fortunate." Some even identified as "middle class" or "in the middle," typically comparing themselves with the super-wealthy, who are especially prominent in New York City, rather than to those with less.When I used the word "affluent" in an email to a stay-at-home mom with a $2.5 million household income, a house in the Hamptons and a child in private school, she almost canceled the interview, she told me later. Real affluence, she said, belonged to her friends who traveled on a private plane.
I can't spend more than $4 on a loaf of bread and often just make my own. Of course it barely makes a difference because it's not like saving $2 on bread is going to make my tuition or rent suddenly bearable, but if all bread were $6, I wouldn't be buying it at all.
Quote from: meepmeep on September 08, 2017, 01:26:18 PMI can't spend more than $4 on a loaf of bread and often just make my own. Of course it barely makes a difference because it's not like saving $2 on bread is going to make my tuition or rent suddenly bearable, but if all bread were $6, I wouldn't be buying it at all.I think in isolation it would probably be fine. That difference is kind of dwarfed by the combined cost of everything else. But if you consider that as a scale-up that's applied to all groceries across the board it would be a huge. What does a big baguette (French revolution full circle) typically cost? I am thinking like 2.50-3.00. The fact that I have to think about it betrays my privilege.
The fact that these people are embarrassed about their actual money and spending habits is pretty telling.
But it is correct that 1.00 bread is garbage. I don't think it is a "rich" thing (by U.S. standards) to not buy wonder bread. Then throw in all the dumb gluten free, gmo labeling kind of shit and I don't think 6.00 is obscene. A separate and more important issue is the fact that groceries are goddamn expensive and shitty middle class and rich people exacerbate that.
I wonder how the book is. http://press.princeton.edu/titles/11096.html
They worried about how to raise children who would themselves be "good people" rather than entitled brats. The context of New York City, especially its private schools, heightened their fear that their kids would never encounter the "real world," or have "fluency outside the bubble," in the words of one inheritor. Another woman told me about a child she knew of whose father had taken the family on a $10,000 vacation; afterward the child had said, "It was great, but next time we fly private like everyone else."