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Sports / Re: Winter Olympics 2018
Last post by Pavlovs Dog -
Hoping that the Canadian women's hockey team can score gold for the 5th time in a row.

Don't really care as much about men's hockey, tbh.

:smug:

Also just beat you in curling.
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Science / Re: NH winter cooling
Last post by BenTheBiased -
Don't worry, I'm sure Cephus will be along soon to express his trademark incredulity, probably with some ad hom about Mann and idiotic mockery of some strawman position no one actually expressed included as well.

And of course FX will tell us it's all bullshit.
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In theory, yes.  But why?  Do you want to raise slugs to eat?

You are an idiot.
The only reason we don't raise slugs to eat is because it's way easier to just collect them. Here in Greece, at least.

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Although I seem to recall that slug farms are a thing somewhere...
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As an aside, I find it sort of interesting - and telling - that whenever anyone mentions the importance of understanding the species within his ecosystem, Dave always assumes we are talking about "plants". 

Typically he will denigrate that as an "inventory" of plants.  Here he dismisses it as "plant analysis".

Better evidence of his inability to understand the intrinsically holistic nature of ecology could scarely be had.

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By the way ... we had an ice storm this week which covered all my grass with ice ... did my animals go hungry?  Why no! They didn't.  You could tell that they didn't like it much ... but - like school boys dutifully eating their spinach because their mother makes them - they ate it.

Right.

And what would they have done "in the wild", Dave? 


In the wild, they would have done exactly what my animals did.  Eat it because it's the only thing available. 

But it wouldn't be "the only thing available" in the wild, would it?  They'd be free to find forage in a more sheltered spot, for instance.

I'm mimicking Nature, remember?
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Or even on a half-way decent farm?
By this, I assume you mean a farm like one of my neighbors who I drive by every day who have too many animals crowded onto a totally overgrazed paddock covered in poop and the animals are crowded around a hay rack eating nasty dry hay.

In my opinion, that's not "halfway decent" at all.

No, I didn't mean that, and it's not what I said. Obviously I don't mean your neighbours because I have no idea what your neighbours do.  I mean any humane farmer who provides a shelter for her animals, and non-frozen forage when the ground is frozen.  You don't need to overgraze your pasture in order to provide hay or turnips.  And your adjective "nasty" could just as well apply to your icy grass that you fully admit they didn't like much.

Well, last week my neighbour's sheep clearly preferred the pile of "nasty dry" hay and turnips their farmer had thoughtfully provided to the frozen and waterlogged but NOT overgrazed pasture that was the alternative.


Animals in the wild in my area would not have had much choice this week but to eat icy forage.  The area blanketed by ice was quite extensive ... hundreds of miles.

Farmers in my area do not provide shelter for their animals - cows and horses and sheep at least which is what I see driving around close to my place.  I also don't know of any that provide turnips.  The ones around here provide hay ... and I've had experience with the hay around here.  It varies greatly in quality ... the average is not very nice and my animals have always preferred grass in the ground even if it's largely brown.  Now it's true they might prefer average dry hay over my icy grass ... but keep in mind that icy grass is very rare so my animals are usually getting very yummy food while my neighbors animals are getting very average food all winter long.
So the ONE thing you mimic your ignorant non-HMG neighbors on, is not providing shelter for your animals?
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"According to Savory, there's quite a bit more to it than that.  My own view, as I said earlier, in a discussion from which you eventually badgered, is that you have missed a pretty important element."

Such as?

Are we talking about plant analysis again now?  If so, you are welcome to demonstrate why I'm wrong about my belief that this does not need anywhere near as much attention as you seem to think it does.  I'm all ears.

I'm talking about what "holistic" means.
Well you are welcome to define it however you want ... I'm just telling you how people like Greg Judy and Ian Mitchell-Innes define it ... which is also how I define it.
That's not actually how definitions work. If we don't all use the same one, there is no communication, no learning. Maybe that's part of your disability.
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"According to Savory, there's quite a bit more to it than that.  My own view, as I said earlier, in a discussion from which you eventually badgered, is that you have missed a pretty important element."

Such as?

Are we talking about plant analysis again now?  If so, you are welcome to demonstrate why I'm wrong about my belief that this does not need anywhere near as much attention as you seem to think it does.  I'm all ears.

I'm talking about what "holistic" means.
Well you are welcome to define it however you want ... I'm just telling you how people like Greg Judy and Ian Mitchell-Innes define it ... which is also how I define it.

So what is that definition?
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"According to Savory, there's quite a bit more to it than that.  My own view, as I said earlier, in a discussion from which you eventually badgered, is that you have missed a pretty important element."

Such as?

Are we talking about plant analysis again now?  If so, you are welcome to demonstrate why I'm wrong about my belief that this does not need anywhere near as much attention as you seem to think it does.  I'm all ears.

I'm talking about what "holistic" means.
Well you are welcome to define it however you want ... I'm just telling you how people like Greg Judy and Ian Mitchell-Innes define it ... which is also how I define it.
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600 years ago in North America was anyone doing forage analysis for the buffalo?  Planting specific varieties for them to eat? 

Answer is "No"

Did the buffalo suffer for it?

I doubt it.
There was also no one there to put it inside a cage.

No, not even a metaphorical one. As actual OBSERVATION shows.
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We HMG ranchers do practice the scientific method ... but we are more efficient at it than you octohatter types ... so you guys are way behind slogging in the mud trying to catch up with us and due to your brainwashing, you think you are out in front of us.  Lol
No wonder dave loves analogies. It allows for others indulging in his empowering and dominating fantasies.

So far, we've been bound in the basement, frantically running like cockroaches being sprayed, and slogging in the mud behind. What next I wonder.