Skip to main content

TR Memescape

  • Talk Rational: The strut of irrelevance, the pomp of ineffectuality.

Topic: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony (Read 422 times) previous topic - next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
new york focused article because i live in ny: http://gothamist.com/2017/07/19/schumer_gillibrand_co-sponsor_senat.php

analysis more broadly from the intercept with some hilarious responses from legislators: https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/

aclu letter: https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-senate-opposing-israel-anti-boycott-act

Quote
The bill seeks to expand the Export Administration Act of 1979 and the Export-Import Bank Act of 1945 which, among other things, prohibit U.S. persons from complying with a foreign government's request to boycott a country friendly to the U.S. The bill would amend those laws to bar U.S. persons from supporting boycotts against Israel, including its settlements in the Palestinian Occupied Territories, conducted by international governmental organizations, such as the United Nations and the European Union. It would also broaden the law to include penalties for simply requesting information about such boycotts. Violations would be subject to a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $ 1 million and 20 years in prison. We take no position for or against the effort to boycott Israel or any foreign country, for that matter. However, we do assert that the government cannot, consistent with the First Amendment, punish U.S. persons based solely on their expressed political beliefs.

glad to see that so many democratic senators' #resistance to the government colluding with a foreign power for its benefit at the expense of americans' rights is so consistent

i gotta be honest, this sounds so bad and dumb on its face that i have to believe that it's not as bad as various online outlets are making it seem, but i don't think the aclu would take a stand on it for no good reason.

  • nesb
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #1
I wasn't planning on boycotting Israel, but I'd break that law openly if it were passed.

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #2
just to get this out of the way before any derailing occurs: it doesn't actually matter if you think BDS is right. this law is shit.

  • meepmeep
  • Administrator
  • zombiecat queen
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #3
I don't think ACLU is exaggerating, but I'd say it's a safe bet most of them have no fucking clue what the bill says or that the bills it references for the punishment section have such harsh punishments. Because these people don't fucking read anything and rely on staffers to notice things.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #4
I used to think aipac had nra-like influence over us middle eastern policy.  the iran deal vote convinced me that either that had changed or I had been wrong in the first place.  if this garbage passes, I will be tempted to go back to my original position.

otoh, I assume Steve bannon and the alt right hate this bill with every fiber of their being, and I could almost see supporting it just to spite them.

eta: no, I'm not attempting the guilt-by-association bullshit of lumping opponents of this together with the alt-racists.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #5
lol, apparently several states have already passed laws criminalizing this over the last couple years.  wtf

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #6
I don't think ACLU is exaggerating, but I'd say it's a safe bet most of them have no fucking clue what the bill says or that the bills it references for the punishment section have such harsh punishments. Because these people don't fucking read anything and rely on staffers to notice things.
when you say "them" do you mean the alcu or senators?

  • ksen
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #7
oi vey

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #8
Does this mean I have to give up La Croix and use Soda Stream?

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #9
Terrible bill. BDS is dumb but this bill is fucking shit.

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #10
i appreciate that teeth  :unsmith:

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #11
lol, apparently several states have already passed laws criminalizing this over the last couple years.  wtf
Source?
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #12
Does this mean I have to give up La Croix and use Soda Stream?
My life would be significantly poorer if I had to give up la Croix.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #13
I googled "bds law" and half the hits were news articles about states passing anti-bds laws from the last year or two

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #14
i appreciate that teeth  :unsmith:

Eh. A lot of the rationale behind BDS is shit and a lot of it is thinly veiled antisemitism. But passing a law prohibiting free speech and consumer choice is not the way to oppose that. That should be the very basic threshold for whether a law is shit.

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #15
Also my gut feeling is that these bills are designed to backfire and push Jews out of the political arena in general.

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #16
what

  • meepmeep
  • Administrator
  • zombiecat queen
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #17
I don't think ACLU is exaggerating, but I'd say it's a safe bet most of them have no fucking clue what the bill says or that the bills it references for the punishment section have such harsh punishments. Because these people don't fucking read anything and rely on staffers to notice things.
when you say "them" do you mean the alcu or senators?

Senators. The lol worthy one is the guy who co-authored the bill not knowing what's in it.

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #18
what

There was a major shift in rhetoric WRT Israel-Palestine in the last 5-10 years that seems specifically designed to isolate Jews from the left and to attack liberal support for Jewish issues in general, apart from Israel. This seems to be part of it. Bills like this push a "Jews control the government" narrative in the left while failing judicially because they are transparently unconstitutional. Just serves to push Jews out of the left, which means pushing us out of politics in general.

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #19
the most effective pro-israel lobby and chuck schumer are engineering an intentionally bad bill to push jews out of politics? is this what you're actually suggesting?

  • ksen
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #20
probably

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #21
the most effective pro-israel lobby and chuck schumer are engineering an intentionally bad bill to push jews out of politics? is this what you're actually suggesting?

I'm saying that some of the right-wing senators that have stuck their dicks in this thing want Jews to feel unsafe in the left. My guess is that this, like other anti-BDS legislation, originally started out limiting government funds going towards BDS, particularly in situations like university campuses or government contractors. The fascist stuff likely showed up later. But the Jews (Schumer and AIPAC) get stuck holding the bag.

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #22
the actual authors of the bill and one of its strongest proponents are just hapless patsies getting played, what the fucking christ

Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #23
Jesus Christ.

  • ksen
Re: bipartisan support for making organizing a boycott of israeli government a felony
Reply #24