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  • ksen
Congress and Sexual Harassment
Female broadcaster accuses Al Franken of sexual harassment/assault.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/360656-woman-accuses-al-franken-of-kissing-groping-her-without-consent

Over the last few days I've heard female lawmakers talking about how they've been harassed by colleagues some of whom are still active members of congress. But they don't name names . . . how come?

CNN did a piece the other day about this: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/politics/sexual-harassment-congress/index.html

In that they said:

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More than half a dozen interviewees independently named one California congressman for pursuing female staffers; another half dozen pointed to a Texas congressman for engaging in inappropriate behavior. CNN is not naming either of those lawmakers because the stories are unverified.

Unverified reports haven't stopped CNN from naming names in Hollywood and other industries that have had women come out and tell their harassment/assault stories. Why not Congress?

I feel that by refusing to name names CNN is helping to perpetuate the old system of sexual harassment being an open secret where the harassers are free to carry on with their harassing because why not? If they're not going to be prosecuted, censured or even publically shamed what incentive is there for them to stop harassing?
  • Last Edit: November 16, 2017, 08:44:06 AM by ksen

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #1
republicans are going to say franken's behavior is unacceptable for a US senator and that he should resign.  and they will be right.

they will also compare what he did to what roy moore did.  imo, that would be a false equivalence and what moore did was worse.  but I don't know if that would be a point worth making.  what Franken did was still bad enough.

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #2
So much for Franken 2020.  :sadcheer:
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
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Reply #4
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #5
yeah that is pretty much the best response he could give, short of resigning

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Reply #7
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

  • Bilirubin
  • Ain't nothing ta fuck wit'
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #8
Is it "kill all white men"?

Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #9
better be

Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #10
holy shit. the hits keep coming
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-ralph-shortey-former-oklahoma-senator-pleads-guilty-child-trafficking-2616819
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Who Is Ralph Shortey? Former Oklahoma Senator Pleads Guilty To Child Trafficking

A former Oklahoma senator who was accused of offering to pay a 17-year-old boy for sexual relations has pleaded guilty to the charges pressed against him, reports said Saturday.

Former Republican Sen. Ralph Shortey, in a plea deal, wrote: "It is in my best interest and in the best interest of my family."

Federal prosecutors agreed to drop three counts of child pornography against Shortey in exchange for his guilty plea.

The 35-year-old will be required to serve a minimum term of 10 years in prison -- the mandatory term for those convicted of child trafficking.

The federal indictment against Shortey mentions that the former senator, under a fake name, created a Craigslist account where he requested anyone responding to his ads communicate with him via Kik, a social media application that allows users to send photos, videos, and text messages.

The indictment also stated that Shortey had used his email account to transfer a video titled "051st Time Sex Videos."

In the third count against him, Shortey was convicted for communicating with a minor boy named John Doe via Kik.

"Between on or about Feb. 14, 2016, and on or about March 8, 2017, in the Western District of Oklahoma, Shortey employed, used, persuaded, induced, and enticed a minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing a visual depiction of such conduct, and such visual depiction was actually transported and transmitted using a means and facility of interstate and foreign commerce, in that Shortey so obtained at least one image of John Doe's penis," a part of the indictment read.

The indictment also details a conversation that took place between Shortey and the minor.

Earlier in March, Doe [the minor victim] had sent a text message to Shortey saying: "I need money for spring break."

Shortey responded to the message saying: "I don't really have any legitimate things I need help with right now Would you be interested in 'sexual' stuff," to which Doe responded with a "Yes."

Read the entire federal indictment here.

Born in Casper, Wyoming, Shortey spent his childhood on the Rosebud Indian Reservation in Grass Mountain, South Dakota before moving to Oklahoma. He graduated from Westmoore High School in 2000 and studied at Heartland Baptist Bible College in Oklahoma City. Shortey was elected to the Oklahoma Senate in 2010 and served his term until 2017.

He is scheduled to appear before the Oklahoma City federal court on Nov. 30.

is international business times a satire site?
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #11
nope:
https://boingboing.net/2017/11/19/takes-one-to-know-one.html
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Trump's Oklahoma campaign manager, who once introduced an anti-immigrant law to "stop sex trafficking of children," admits to trafficking young boy for sex

 Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Ralph Shortey has resigned after pleading guilty to trafficking a teenaged boy for sex; when Shortey was serving as Trump's Oklahoma campaign manager, he introduced an anti-sanctuary cities bill, claiming that immigrants trafficked their children for sex.

Shortey's plea bargain got the prosecutors to drop three child pornography charges against him.

    According to The Oklahoman, Shortey was found in a hotel room with a teenage boy on March 9. A subsequent investigation by local and federal officials revealed a series of text messages in which Shortey offered to pay the teen in exchange for "sexual stuff."

    The victim later "confirmed that he and Shortey intended to have sexual contact and that they had agreed Shortey would pay him for the contact," the paper reported, citing a court affidavit...

    "When you incentivize illegal immigration, you incentivize a lot of bad things," Shortey told NBC affiliate 4-KFOR. "There's a trail of death from Honduras to the United States of America, and the families are giving their children and others over to coyotes and to human traffickers."
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

  • Fenrir
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #12
Having trouble working out what trafficking has to do with that.
It's what plants crave.

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Reply #13
dick pics across state lines and paying for sex I guess. He's going to do ten years though. Srs bzns
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #15
now he really needs to resign

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Reply #16
kill all men  :yes:

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Reply #17
Well that should be the end of Franken.

Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #18
Well that should be the end of all men.

  • Pingu
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Reply #19
Well that should be the end of Franken.
:sadyes:
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #20
I'd still like to see that handled by the ethics investigation rather than a simple resignation. There needs to be a general system of accountability that applies to both Rs and Ds. If Dems resign when they do something shitty but Republicans just hold on and do nothing, accusations will become entrenched as a partisan tool to purge democrats.

Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #21
And if issuing an apology like Franken did (which was a good way to handle it, IMO) is a get out of jail free, then the GOP would eventually figure out how to fake it well enough....

So I agree, the ethics committee is probably the best way, if it applies to everyone regardless of political affiliation.

Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #22
An apology doesn't get you out of misconduct. The initial accusation was a little weird in how quickly it was dropped and it seemed like a situation where Franken misjudged boundaries but did not necessarily attempt to harm someone. The accusation today is something that is hard to chalk up to a misjudgment of boundaries. 

Huckabee's "well, Franken admitted it and Trump hasn't admitted it, so Franken is a wrongdoer and Trump is innocent" thing is obviously testing the excuse the Republicans are going to use from here on out. This is why we NEED a non-partisan oversight system to undertake ethics investigations when these accusations are made. If we rely on people to resign only if the party decides it's time to be rid of them or if they are ashamed enough of the scandal that they want out of the public eye, then we're just giving a free pass to the Republicans, who have no shame and who are entirely self-serving.

  • Pandora
  • Resurrected Robot
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #23
nope:
https://boingboing.net/2017/11/19/takes-one-to-know-one.html
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Trump's Oklahoma campaign manager, who once introduced an anti-immigrant law to "stop sex trafficking of children," admits to trafficking young boy for sex

 Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Ralph Shortey has resigned after pleading guilty to trafficking a teenaged boy for sex; when Shortey was serving as Trump's Oklahoma campaign manager, he introduced an anti-sanctuary cities bill, claiming that immigrants trafficked their children for sex.

Shortey's plea bargain got the prosecutors to drop three child pornography charges against him.

    According to The Oklahoman, Shortey was found in a hotel room with a teenage boy on March 9. A subsequent investigation by local and federal officials revealed a series of text messages in which Shortey offered to pay the teen in exchange for "sexual stuff."

    The victim later "confirmed that he and Shortey intended to have sexual contact and that they had agreed Shortey would pay him for the contact," the paper reported, citing a court affidavit...

    "When you incentivize illegal immigration, you incentivize a lot of bad things," Shortey told NBC affiliate 4-KFOR. "There's a trail of death from Honduras to the United States of America, and the families are giving their children and others over to coyotes and to human traffickers."
the fuck is wrong with these people?
Just because you're unique doesn't mean you're useful.

  • Pandora
  • Resurrected Robot
Re: Congress and Sexual Harassment
Reply #24
I'd still like to see that handled by the ethics investigation rather than a simple resignation. There needs to be a general system of accountability that applies to both Rs and Ds. If Dems resign when they do something shitty but Republicans just hold on and do nothing, accusations will become entrenched as a partisan tool to purge democrats.
Yeah, resignation is fine (at least it gets him out of office), but I still want a formal investigation.  You don't get to just "Bye!" your way out of it.  Also criminal charges for fuck's sake!
Just because you're unique doesn't mean you're useful.