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  • Pingu
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #100
(especially if Jones wins in Alabama which is at toss-up right now).
We'll see, but my guess is that Moore will win by a "surprisingly" comfortable margin.
Based on the suspicion that a significant number of people responding to polls are ashamed to admit that child-molesting bothers them less than democrats do.

That's my guess too :(

But Northam was a nice surprise.  Results from toss-up elections can be quite striking in both directions.   :dogpipe:
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #101
i don't think northam was a surprise.  iirc, polls showed him winning by a small but consistent margin.  also, i believe democrats have won every statewide election in VA since 2005, with the exception of mcdonnell winning governor in 2009.  va is a blue state now.

though it was a surprise at least in that he won by a bigger margin than he was supposed to

Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #102
We're now looking at 3 seats the Republicans now stand to gain (Conyers and Kihuen in the House, Franken in the Senate)

Lol, why does anyone reply to this moron?

  • Pingu
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #103
i don't think northam was a surprise.  iirc, polls showed him winning by a small but consistent margin.  also, i believe democrats have won every statewide election in VA since 2005, with the exception of mcdonnell winning governor in 2009.  va is a blue state now.

though it was a surprise at least in that he won by a bigger margin than he was supposed to
exactly. SMALL. And we'll within a normal polling error.  But he won by nine points?
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

  • borealis
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Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #104
Well... wrt Alabama and the Democratic Party:

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Yet Democrats treat blacks in the South like stepchildren from a previous marriage: They'll have us over for weekends and election holidays, smile and act nice, but they don't really do shit for us. They treat the new kids better. The white ones.
Say what you will about the toothless dimwits who buy "Make America Great Again" hats, but they are getting almost everything they wanted. Trump is rounding up immigrants, normalizing white supremacy, reinstituting the war on drugs, trying his damnedest to keep Muslims out of the country, and he's still on that bullshit about the wall.
Democrats, on the other hand? Trash.
Black voters are the base of the Democratic Party, and we're still waiting for Dems to fix the wage gap and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. They aren't going to listen because they never do. They pocket black votes and black dollars, and take them back to the national party to spend in districts where they know they're going to win.

https://www.theroot.com/a-racist-flyer-might-cost-doug-jones-the-election-becau-1821065764

Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #105
The issue isn't one of cynicism vs idealism. The issue is that Democrats are willing to (rightfully) listen to women who make serious accusations of sexual harassment and rightfully understand that many of those actions do not leave clear evidence of wrongdoing. The Republicans are willing to believe that Democrats belonging to minority ethnic/racial groups are sexual predators because they are steeped in racism, but they're also not really willing to believe women qua women. There is a dangerous interplay here between gender and race and Democrats are going to lose because Democrats actually care about doing right. The only way to avoid that eventuality is for Democrats to patiently push for a binding nonpartisan investigatory committee. Impatience on the part of the Democrats makes this impossible, and the Republicans are going to continue to exploit that weakness.

Not believing these kind of accusations is one dimension of it, but another is that Republicans just don't give a fuck. Most of the Republican leadership knows quite well that Roy Moore is guilty of all the things he's being accused of, and probably a lot of his supporters do too, but it doesn't matter. It's a structural disadvantage born of the fact that only one side cares about ethics.
also, the conservative bubble is extremely good at denial or distracting itself with whataboutism.  I suspect that in many cases it's not even that people think party/coalition/cause trumps ethics, it's that when they hear information that is bad for team red, they so quickly and reflexively either assume it's fake or turn their thoughts to something bad about democrats, that they don't even process it.  they don't even get to the part of the flowchart where they decide whether to apply their ethics to any republicans.

If I remember my history correctly, white conservative southerners cared a whole hell of a lot about believing women when it meant they had an excuse to lynch black men.

Conservatives conceptualize rape differently from how liberals do. That's the underlying issue here.

Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #106
Well... wrt Alabama and the Democratic Party:

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Yet Democrats treat blacks in the South like stepchildren from a previous marriage: They'll have us over for weekends and election holidays, smile and act nice, but they don't really do shit for us. They treat the new kids better. The white ones.
Say what you will about the toothless dimwits who buy "Make America Great Again" hats, but they are getting almost everything they wanted. Trump is rounding up immigrants, normalizing white supremacy, reinstituting the war on drugs, trying his damnedest to keep Muslims out of the country, and he's still on that bullshit about the wall.
Democrats, on the other hand? Trash.
Black voters are the base of the Democratic Party, and we're still waiting for Dems to fix the wage gap and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. They aren't going to listen because they never do. They pocket black votes and black dollars, and take them back to the national party to spend in districts where they know they're going to win.

https://www.theroot.com/a-racist-flyer-might-cost-doug-jones-the-election-becau-1821065764
Written by a Russian bot? They want the crazy in power.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #107
If Democrats can't win a statewide seat in Minnesota in 2018, we're beyond doomed, anyway.
Yeah, I skimmed some article earlier this morning that was trying to make the case that this could blow Democrats' chances at the senate next year, but really, it's hard to imagine a scenario where they would have won the senate except for Minnesota.

(Now watch that happen.)


  • Pandora
  • Resurrected Robot
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #109
The point is you ask for a serious investigation, state that you will stand by the findings of the investigation, and demand bipartisan buy-in to the investigatory system. Once that investigation is completed, you then ask for the resignation. It's not that fucking hard.

Jumping the gun may seem "cleaner" but alt-right operatives are already turning this into a tool to get rid of anyone they don't want. Mike Cernovich is fucking laughing all the way to the bank here.
I really kinda hate it when I have to agree with teeth on something.  But yeah - this.
Just because you're unique doesn't mean you're useful.

  • Y.B
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #110
Ouch!

Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #111
:bwrv:

  • Pandora
  • Resurrected Robot
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #112
Teeth, I think you're going to have to change your position here.  I'm finding it to be a reasonable and rational approach... which probably means you're fucked.
Just because you're unique doesn't mean you're useful.

Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #113
You should take him out for a few drinks.


  • F X
  • The one and only
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #115
Conservatives conceptualize rape differently from how liberals do. That's the underlying issue here.
No it is not you ignorant slut
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #116
The point is you ask for a serious investigation, state that you will stand by the findings of the investigation, and demand bipartisan buy-in to the investigatory system. Once that investigation is completed, you then ask for the resignation. It's not that fucking hard.

Jumping the gun may seem "cleaner" but alt-right operatives are already turning this into a tool to get rid of anyone they don't want. Mike Cernovich is fucking laughing all the way to the bank here.
I really kinda hate it when I have to agree with teeth on something.  But yeah - this.
I think this hurts teeth way more than it does you.

Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #117
Conservatives conceptualize rape differently from how liberals do. That's the underlying issue here.
No it is not you ignorant slut

That's Slut, MSc, and soon to be Slut PhD, thank you very much

  • ravenscape
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  • Triggered
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #118


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  • ksen
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #119
It's gonna be ok guys. Michelle Bachmann is checking with God to make sure He wants her to run for Al's seat.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #120
It's gonna be ok guys. Michelle Bachmann is checking with God to make sure He wants her to run for Al's seat.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2011/06/god_caught_backing_multiple_go.html

  • ffejrxx
Re: Goddamnit Al
Reply #121
not sure hot i got on al's mailing list, but here ya go

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January 2, 2018

Thank you for contacting my office. I appreciate hearing from you.

I have announced that I will resign from the Senate. This was a hard decision. But I am confident that Lieutenant Governor Tina Smith will make an excellent United States Senator. She is a dedicated public servant who's worked tirelessly on behalf of Minnesotans and she will continue to bring that spirit to Washington.

It's been the honor of my life serving the people of Minnesota in the Senate for the last 8 years. Minnesota continues to be one of the most civically engaged states in the nation. And I'm so proud that - by listening and learning from your ideas and experiences - I've been able to continue the tradition of finding commonsense solutions to problems that affect our state.

For many of us, the 2016 election represented a very real threat to not just the advances we made during the Obama Administration, but also to our neighbors, friends, and family members who are at risk of being harmed by the dangerous policies of this administration. In the face of this, I am proud to see how many Minnesotans have joined me in defending the progress we've made.

As we look ahead toward the next fight, it's important that we remember how far we've come. When I joined the Senate in 2009, people who are gay or lesbian were outlawed from serving openly in the military, same sex marriage was illegal in all but a handful of states, people could actually be denied health coverage because of an illness, and families were much more vulnerable to lenders who could issue mortgage loans without taking any meaningful steps to see if a consumer could repay them. We have made real progress that we should be proud of.

Senator Paul Wellstone - whose seat I have been so honored to hold - used to say that politics isn't about winning or losing - it's about improving people's lives. And over the last 8 years, that's what we've done. We've stood up for what we know is right, worked hard to find common ground, and made people's lives better.

Today, people are more engaged in the political process than I have ever experienced in my career. From the Women's Marches across the country to defeating efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act, people are raising their voices. The passion I've seen this year makes me confident that-despite the significant challenges we face-progress is still possible.

Thank you for contacting me. I look forward to working with you - as a citizen and activist - to make life better for Minnesotans and people across this country.

Sincerely,

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Al Franken
United States Senator