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Immigration/border patrol megathread
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/16/this-is-really-unprecedented-ice-detains-woman-seeking-domestic-abuse-protection-at-texas-courthouse/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.8f331964faf5

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A hearing in El Paso County in Texas went from ordinary to "unprecedented" last week when half a dozen Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents showed up at a courthouse where an undocumented woman was seeking a protective order against the boyfriend she accused of abusing her.

The woman, a citizen of Mexico who was living in El Paso had been driven to the courthouse by a victim's advocate from the Center Against Sexual and Family Violence, a shelter for victims of domestic abuse where she had been living.

She left under arrest.

"This is really unprecedented," El Paso County Attorney Jo Anne Bernal told The Washington Post.

It was the first time in her 23 years at the courthouse, Bernal said, that she can remember ICE agents making their presence known during a protective order hearing. The agents had come to stake out the woman, identified by her initials I.E.G., because, Bernal speculates, they likely received a tip from the only other person who knew the time and place of the hearing -- the woman's alleged abuser.

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Already the policies have led to the deportation of an undocumented mother from Arizona who, rather than dodge her check-in with immigration officials, dutifully went and was detained. In Seattle, a 23-year-old man who had been living legally in the United States under the Obama administration's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program was arrested and detained last week by ICE officials who claimed he was a gang member, something his lawyers deny.

And in Denver, an undocumented mother of four who had been living in the United States for 20 years sought refuge in the basement of a church this week rather than check in with authorities, for fear she too would be deported.

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In El Paso, Bernal said her office, which prosecutes criminal cases and represents alleged victims of domestic violence, like I.E.G., has felt the weight of this policy shift in recent weeks. Call volume has increased from concerned El Paso residents, she said, who have reported checkpoints in certain parts of town and the appearance of ICE agents at routine traffic stops.

The lesson to be learned is don't trust the authorities. Great!
  • Last Edit: February 25, 2017, 04:40:10 PM by meepmeep

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http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/ICE-Agents-Arrest-Men-Leaving-Alexandria-Church-Shelter-413889013.html

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Oscar Ramirez said he had just left the hypothermia shelter at Rising Hope Mission Church on Russell Road in Alexandria, Virginia, when about a dozen ICE agents surround him and other Latino men.

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"They were clearly targeting the church because they knew that they stayed here in the hypothermia shelter. So they were waiting for them to cross the street and then jump on them," said Rising Hope Mission Church Rev. Keary Kincannon.

An ICE spokeswoman said the agency's "sensitive location" policy was followed. The policy requires agents to avoid arresting people at places of worship, schools and medical facilities. The spokeswoman emphasized the arrests took place across the street from the church and not on church property.

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Reply #2
So the ICE is competing with regular cops to be the biggest assholes? 

What could go wrong......?

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Reply #3
It's no competition. ICE and CBP have always been worse than regular cops. They're just feeling especially emboldened now.

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Reply #4
the terrorists need to be rooted out and denied safe haven

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Reply #5
looks like a bunch of other failed attempts at humanity have failed the Milgram test!

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/16/this-is-really-unprecedented-ice-detains-woman-seeking-domestic-abuse-protection-at-texas-courthouse/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.8f331964faf5

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A hearing in El Paso County in Texas went from ordinary to "unprecedented" last week when half a dozen Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents showed up at a courthouse where an undocumented woman was seeking a protective order against the boyfriend she accused of abusing her.

The woman, a citizen of Mexico who was living in El Paso had been driven to the courthouse by a victim's advocate from the Center Against Sexual and Family Violence, a shelter for victims of domestic abuse where she had been living.

She left under arrest.

"This is really unprecedented," El Paso County Attorney Jo Anne Bernal told The Washington Post.

It was the first time in her 23 years at the courthouse, Bernal said, that she can remember ICE agents making their presence known during a protective order hearing. The agents had come to stake out the woman, identified by her initials I.E.G., because, Bernal speculates, they likely received a tip from the only other person who knew the time and place of the hearing -- the woman's alleged abuser.

I'm not saying this is right, however deportation reviews need to be done by individual case-by-case basis.

The Washington Post article linked above was short on the facts:

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[.....] the woman, identified by her initials I.E.G.
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The woman had a prior criminal record and had been previously deported, but, according to Bernal, had no current outstanding state warrants.

A related article in the El Paso Times,  written by reporter Marty Schaden (who first wrote about the case), gives much more details regrading the woman arrested. A criminal complaint is on file with the U.S. District Court in El Paso, which indicates that a person of the same name as the alleged victim (identified by initials I.E.G.) has a history of deportation (6xs since 2010) and arrests for stolen mail, false imprisonment & assault.  [Just to clarify, the woman who is the alleged victim of domestic violence is transgender.]

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The criminal complaint states that on Feb. 2, Homeland Security Investigations Border Enforcement Security Taskforce agents received information that Irvin Gonzalez, who also is known as Ervin Gonzalez [initials I.E.G.], was in the U.S. despite having been previously deported. The information received stated that Gonzalez was staying at the Center Against Sexual and Family Violence.

The complaint, filed Feb. 9, indicates that Gonzalez, whom Bernal identified as transgender, had been deported six times since 2010 -- apparently after arrests for crimes including possession of stolen mail, false imprisonment and assault.

Its narrative differs, however, from what Bernal unearthed in her investigation in a key respect. The complaint says Gonzalez was arrested on the street, while investigators looking into the detention for Bernal said it happened inside the courthouse.

"There were six ICE agents on the 10th floor," Bernal said.

The arrest comes at a time of heightened concerns that under the administration of President Donald Trump, ICE is expanding who it tries to deport and how it goes about deporting them.

So there are conflicting facts whether the arrest was made inside the courthouse or outside on the street. But with 6 previous deportations along a history of rather serious crimes, some people do need to get the boot out of the US.
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I think the deeper problem here is that a lot of these deportations have been done in a completely inhumane manner. We're seeing how ICE acts without oversight, and it's not pretty. It doesn't matter whether an individual immigrant has a record or not, because the issue here is that ICE is acting like a rogue agency. If they're simply picking up people who have the same name as someone else without doing due diligence, then there's a big damned problem.

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Well, there is also bound to be more scrutiny on ice activities so we will be hearing about the stuff that has been routine also.
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 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Reply #9
media scrutiny or not, there's no oversight so ICE is gonna run amok


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I think the deeper problem here is that a lot of these deportations have been done in a completely inhumane manner. We're seeing how ICE acts without oversight, and it's not pretty. It doesn't matter whether an individual immigrant has a record or not, because the issue here is that ICE is acting like a rogue agency. If they're simply picking up people who have the same name as someone else without doing due diligence, then there's a big damned problem.

Yup. The WaPo article about the person in El Paso mentioned their prior record, and I don't have a problem with deporting someone convicted of a more serious crime. That doesn't change the fact that using someone's pursuit of a protective order against an abuser as the method to catch them is okay or desirable. No one in their right mind is going to go to any cops or court for help, and that chilling effect goes beyond the undocumented. Even when you have legal status, dealing with immigration goons is scary. This sort of shit doesn't help anyone.

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the thing that scares me is that unless you have a passport, almost all immigration status is really just at the good will of whatever border agent you run into when returning to the US. CBP has immense power and the only thing that stops them from being total shitbags is that they have oversight from the executive branch and will face serious consequences from within the government if they give the government a bad name. But a noncitizen has very little real legal recourse in a lot of situations. It's pretty shittastic.

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https://www.apnews.com/5508111d59554a33be8001bdac4ef830/Trump-weighs-mobilizing-Nat-Guard-for-immigration-roundups

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A draft memo obtained by The Associated Press outlines a Trump administration proposal under consideration to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants. Millions of those who would be affected in 11 states live nowhere near the Mexico border.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. If the proposal is implemented, governors in the affected states would have final approval on whether troops under their control participate.

Fucking Christ....

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aaaaand there it is.

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white house denies it.  fwiw.  which is roughly nothing.

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Reply #17
Not much to add here but over the last three or four days I've seen PSA/commercials for employment with CBP. You can bet a good number of assholes that were rightfully kicked off of local law enforcement agencies will be trying to sign up.

I know of one that got hired by them a couple of years ago after he was "quietly dismissed" under agreement rather than fired from my relatives agency. Partially because he had racked up numerous accusations of assault, which were true and a lot of that shit gets ignored and covered up anyway. What finally broke the camel's back was that he was such a gung-ho asshole he got in trouble a couple of times for flipping the lights and siren on and speeding to a call in a neighboring jurisdiction (shared trunked radio system) which was a no-no. Ignoring that a third time he blew through a four-way intersection flying with lights only and plowed into the side of an elderly couples car and killed the wife.

The agency covered his ass provided he left quietly without engaging the union to try and fight anything. These are the kind of assholes that often wind up as officers in ICE because more often than not a local agency might clue another local agency into the fact their applicant is a problem-child in a previous employment check, who they can count on not to disclose to the applicant that info was shared, but will often have a fuck it attitude towards federal agencies.
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yeah, AP is saying they have a document, with concrete details, and say it's been circulating among dhs officials and has been discussed as recently as friday.  a claim this concrete and specific, purporting to involve several people, seems unlikely to be a misunderstanding and would be awfully testable to be a fabrication.

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ICEatzgruppen

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I don't think the president gets to call the national guard into a state without the governor's request.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Reply #21
I don't think the president gets to call the national guard into a state without the governor's request.

It would be a lenghty uphill battle with the states & courts for the Trump Administration.

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/96928894/presidential-intervention-principle-domestic-use-military-power-several-states
http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Bahar-Presidential-Intervention-Principle.pdf

eta: It's a long stretch for Trump to meet the criteria to employ the NG.  He would lose in court. Again.
http://www.ngaus.org/sites/default/files/Guard%20Statues.pdf
  • Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 09:28:13 AM by ToThePoint
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In a bizarre twist of fate, Cuba may need to come up with an asylum policy for Americans.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Reply #23
http://interactives.ap.org/2017/nat-guard-order/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Interactive

Full memo posted by AP.

Most of the Twitter response is #FAKE NEWS, it doesn't say 100,000 OMFGBBQ.



 
  • Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 11:59:45 AM by lurkergurl

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Here's a handy-dandy (admittedly simplified) infographic on immigration for your idiot relatives and friends who don't know jack fucking shit about the immigration process but sure do seem to have lots and lots of opinions about how it should work!