Harris's conversation with Murray was titled, tantalizingly, "Forbidden Knowledge," and in it, Harris sought to rehabilitate the conversation over race and IQ as well as open a larger debate about what can and cannot be said in today's America. Here is Harris framing the discussion:People don't want to hear that a person's intelligence is in large measure due to his or her genes and there seems to be very little we can do environmentally to increase a person's intelligence even in childhood. It's not that the environment doesn't matter, but genes appear to be 50 to 80 percent of the story. People don't want to hear this. And they certainly don't want to hear that average IQ differs across races and ethnic groups.Now, for better or worse, these are all facts. In fact, there is almost nothing in psychological science for which there is more evidence than these claims. About IQ, about the validity of testing for it, about its importance in the real world, about its heritability, and about its differential expression in different populations.Again, this is what a dispassionate look at [what] decades of research suggest. Unfortunately, the controversy over The Bell Curve did not result from legitimate, good-faith criticisms of its major claims. Rather, it was the product of a politically correct moral panic that totally engulfed Murray's career and has yet to release him.A few moments later, Harris lays out his own motivations. He admits, with some shame, that he once declined to participate in a symposium alongside Murray. And if he did that, he says, who knows how many others have quietly shunned Murray over the years?The purpose of the podcast was to set the record straight. Because I find the dishonesty and hypocrisy and moral cowardice of Murray's critics shocking. And the fact that I was taken in by this defamation of him and effectively became part of a silent mob that was just watching what amounted to a modern witch-burning, that was intolerable to me.Harris returns repeatedly to the idea that the controversy over Murray's race and IQ work is driven by "dishonesty and hypocrisy and moral cowardice" -- not a genuine disagreement over the underlying science or its interpretation. As he puts, "there is virtually no scientific controversy" around Murray's argument.
Careful though, Harris might try to sue us now.
It's sad to see how some people become ever more radicalized.
Sounds like your IQ just isn't high enough to prevent that, aren't you brownish?
it's also true that average IQs of the general population, and of every specific racial grouping, have risen by a few points per decade throughout the history of IQ testing, for a cumulative total of like 30 points. and we don't know what is causing that, but it pretty much has to be environmental. compare that 30 points with the current racial average gap which is like 7 points, and it seems a little premature to say the blacks are doomed to be dumb by their genes.
Quote from: el jefeit's also true that average IQs of the general population, and of every specific racial grouping, have risen by a few points per decade throughout the history of IQ testing, for a cumulative total of like 30 points. and we don't know what is causing that, but it pretty much has to be environmental. compare that 30 points with the current racial average gap which is like 7 points, and it seems a little premature to say the blacks are doomed to be dumb by their genes.Yeah, the article Ksen posted makes that exact point, and it doesn't seem like Harris or Murray have an answer to it. They just believe what they want to believe, and that's kinda unsettling.
as a general point, separate from race and all that, the flynn effect is possibly the most hopeful fact I'm aware of
Whatever happened to Mark Dreher?
lso I have a uterus
Quote from: PeppermintButler on March 27, 2018, 01:30:36 PMWhatever happened to Mark Dreher?Looks like his subreddit has been inactive for three years. https://www.reddit.com/r/MarkDreher/
Weird how people that are for sure convinced that a genetic racial IQ gap exists for really real in real life also believe that the gender wage gap is pure hookum.Nah, I'm kidding . . . that's not weird at all.