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Messages - Pandora

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Games / Re: Autocorrect next word poem
Me too I'll be heading home to drive to pick you guys tomorrow
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whoa whoa whoa, that's murder and its already against the law! but that's totally different from students trying to stop alt-right from recruiting on campuses!!!!!1one
Hey - if you want to stop students from recruiting for alt-right on campus, that's fine... as long as you're also stopping students from recruiting for ctrl-left on campus.

Somehow I don't think you're quite that fair-minded.  And that's the problem.
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Pandora might not be aware that there have recently been two mass killings and several smaller scale murders by self-described white supremacists who straight up said they were killing people for not being white.

and for all the right's concern about the antifa punching Richard Spencer and burning some trash cans, have any of them actually killed anyone?
Nope, not yet.

And asshat racist fuckers who kill people on the basis of hate should, imo, be drawn and quartered.  I'm all for bringing back completely not-compassionate and extremely painful ways of executing people in certain circumstances.
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the usual good faith concern here is that the "nazi" label might get applied to people who are not, in fact, militant genocidaires. but nah, pandora just straight up cares super hard about the right to recruit people for ethnic cleansing, cool stuff.
Does reality ever even wander through your brain, or is it comprised entirely of made-up bullshit that lets you feel morally superior to people who don't believe the same things you do?  I mean, sure, that sort of blind confidence has to be nice... but it's got to take a lot of energy to keep reality from intruding.
Sounds to me like you are defending as free speech,  the right to organize an openly Nazi political group.
Yes, I am.  In exactly the same way I support the free speech of people wanting to organize openly muslim political groups, or openly communist political groups. 
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another thing that is a right: being able to continue to live your life without someone ending it

im not sure you really thought this one through, lol
Oh I get it.  I also get that belief and talk aren't murder.  Murder is illegal.  Everyone has both the right to not-be-killed AND the right to free speech.  Have you found a way to murder people with words?  I know they say that the pen is mightier than the sword... but words don't literally kill people, you know.  All you hyperbole is just a convenient rationalization that lets you feel like you've got the moral high ground while supporting vigilantism and violence against people whose beliefs you don't approve of.
Have to say, the line is crossed when the words are about organizing political action to create a white ethnostate. We sorta know where that goes.
Do you feel the same way about organizations that want political action to create black or jewish or muslim states?
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also seems like the "threats of violence" from the left are actually Russian botnets and not actual leftists, but that doesn't bother you, right pandorka?
Um yeah... it was russian botnets that threatened the teacher at Evergreen, and that rioted in CA
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Recruiting for a terrorist movement or organization is a crime, buddy!
I'm 100% with you - as soon as their groups get categorized by the government as being terrorist organizations.  You start a petition to that effect and I'll sign it ;)

But up until then... it's not a crime to be a horrific asshole.  You shouldn't want to change that, you'd end up in jail.
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you do realize that there are forms of talk that are actually criminal because they are considered part of a crime, right?
Of course.

But being invited to a college campus to talk about a topic isn't one of them.  On the other hand... threats of violence ARE considered crimes.
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the usual good faith concern here is that the "nazi" label might get applied to people who are not, in fact, militant genocidaires. but nah, pandora just straight up cares super hard about the right to recruit people for ethnic cleansing, cool stuff.
Does reality ever even wander through your brain, or is it comprised entirely of made-up bullshit that lets you feel morally superior to people who don't believe the same things you do?  I mean, sure, that sort of blind confidence has to be nice... but it's got to take a lot of energy to keep reality from intruding.
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also lol there are plenty of legal limits on free speech, including direct threats of harm, direct attempts to cause harm, and direct planning to commit a crime. But it's interesting that pandora is only dedicated to first amendment defenses when it's on behalf of murderous nazis, and is totally ok with limits on speech for everyone else.
You're an idiot.  Your whole approach here is vapid shallow spin.  But I suppose I should be used to it.  You've never really had the capacity for independent thought.
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another thing that is a right: being able to continue to live your life without someone ending it

im not sure you really thought this one through, lol
Oh I get it.  I also get that belief and talk aren't murder.  Murder is illegal.  Everyone has both the right to not-be-killed AND the right to free speech.  Have you found a way to murder people with words?  I know they say that the pen is mightier than the sword... but words don't literally kill people, you know.  All you hyperbole is just a convenient rationalization that lets you feel like you've got the moral high ground while supporting vigilantism and violence against people whose beliefs you don't approve of.
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so when self-styled liberals are supporting the removal or limiting of a right for people they disagree with,

Yeah, except that no one is actually doing this.
Ahh., so you disagree with the methods used to silence invited conservative speakers at college campuses via riot and threats of violence?
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How many people have been threatened with violence in order to curtail their constitutionally protected rights?  How many incidents of property and personal violence have occurred as a result of a group of people trying to prevent someone from exercising their right to free speech?

Not nearly enough.
Yay!  That's one more person who supports rights-as-privileges for those you agree with, and who approves of the application of preemptive violence against those you disagree with. 
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I'm a big fan of carpet-bombing nazis, tbh. 

Worked the last time.
Like I said - your cavalier acceptance of collateral damage as long as you get to remove some people you disagree with is really disturbing.  But you've always represented your screen name quite well, so it's no surprise really.
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shut the fuck up you idiot

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/neo-nazi-video-charlottesville-violence_us_5a8ca5dce4b00a30a250606c?xy4j_%3Fclear


Nazis aren't actually interested in "Free Speech" and the moment they have enough power, conveniently achieved in part thanks to idiots giving them a platform, they will crush liberal ideas such as free speech. You don't beat Nazis by out-debating them.
I don't give a fuck if they're interested in free speech.  Just like I don't give a fuck if anyone is interested in religion.  I value free speech, and liberals are supposed to value free speech... so when self-styled liberals are supporting the removal or limiting of a right for people they disagree with, I find it so far beyond hypocritical that it dances right on into absurdity. 

Jesus christ, you guys end up sounding like it's the cold war all over again.  Those communist sympathizers don't care about rights, and as soon as they have enough of a platform, they'll crush democracy!  Therefore we should be allowed to remove their rights preemptively because their ideas are dangerous!!!! 
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also funny that pandora is ok with the pedophile militia in waco using children as human shields when she decries that tactic when it is used by Muslim terrorist groups.

i'm mostly surprised she'd decry sexual abusers of any kind given, well, you know.

if you carefully read the exchange, it turns out she didn't decry sexual abuse at all. She defended sexual abusers against government intervention.
Lol.  If you actually know how to read, you'd see that I was decrying the use of government force that KILLED children that were being held against their will because the fucking asshats on the not-an-idiotic-cult side of the conflict couldn't control themselves.

And also decrying your nonchalant and cavalier dismissal of the "old left" who "flipped their shit" about the US government killing children.  People SHOULD flip their shit about that.  You, on the other hand, seem to be suggesting that the "old left" just aren't the right kind of left, and it's just fine that the government killed women and children and dogs because hey - they were also killing "evil militia groups" that you don't approve of.  So you know, as far as you're concerned, collateral damage of innocents is perfectly acceptable as long as it takes out people you don't like.
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also funny that pandora is ok with the pedophile militia in waco using children as human shields when she decries that tactic when it is used by Muslim terrorist groups.
What the ever loving fuck are you talking about?  None of your sentence resembles reality.  Is this your personal version of alternative facts, teeth?
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pandora is probably just frustrated that she lost all her twitter followers when the russian botnets were taken down.
Pandora doesn't do twitter.  It's full of stupid people who can't communicate in anything more than sound bites, and who don't have any original thoughts of their own.

I assume you're very active on twitter.
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how many people have been murdered in the past 12 months by Nazis versus how many have been murdered by people who don't want Nazis to speak on campus?

How many people have been murdered in the last 12 months, in general?  Because, you know, murder is illegal.  Asshole Nazis who murder people should be tried for both murder and hate crimes. 

Speech, however, is a right.  How many people have been threatened with violence in order to curtail their constitutionally protected rights?  How many incidents of property and personal violence have occurred as a result of a group of people trying to prevent someone from exercising their right to free speech?
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This has been a broader problem in the center left for years. There has not been an awareness that the conservatives in government are becoming militantly radicalized and have been trying to dismantle fundamental civil liberties. This also extends to the old left, who flipped their shit about things like Ruby Ridge and Waco, when that was part of a robust government response to a dangerous militia movement.
Lol.  Yep, totally a problem that those "militantly radicalized" conservatives are dismantling civil liberties, you know, like employing violence against invited speakers to deprive them of their free speech then arguing that it's okay because those are evil people who shouldn't be allowed to speak.

More Lol at "robust government response" being used to describe the US government causing the deaths of women and children who were believed to be kept there against their will.  That's totally acceptable collateral damage as long as you can stop that "militia movement" of religious nuts. 

Sometimes I miss the entertainment value of your wildly partisan posts, teeth.  Sometimes.  Just not very often.
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even obama probably feels like he didn't do enough

obama did shit for years and would be remembered as a bad, ineffective president if not wedged between the two worst Presidents in the modern era.
if obama wasn't a good president, he was the closest thing to it you'll see in your lifetime

also, obama was a good president.  he was effective and got a lot of positive things done.
Yeah. It's easy to focus on the problems and miss, say, the ACA.
Meh... ACA was better than nothing... but it's still pretty seriously flawed.  It needs an overhaul already.  Just not the "overhauls" that the idiot republicans keep recommending.
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Really, Democrats need to prepare to fight the second American Civil War and then rebuild American democracy out of the resulting ashes.
Great plan... except that most of the guns are in the hands of Republicans.
This is a common myth. I'm glad to see you don't disappoint by being dumb enough to believe it.
The problem with infrequent posting is that I end up pages out of date.

Anyway, you're full of crap, WT:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/the-demographics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/
49% of Republicans, 22% of Democrats

https://www.statista.com/statistics/249775/percentage-of-population-in-the-us-owning-a-gun-by-party-affiliation/
56% of republicans live in a household with guns, as opposed to 25% of democrats

So unless you're assuming that the total number of democrats WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY outnumbers republicans, then you're pretty much just straight up wrong.

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Really, Democrats need to prepare to fight the second American Civil War and then rebuild American democracy out of the resulting ashes.
Great plan... except that most of the guns are in the hands of Republicans.
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On the other hand

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

really enjoyed it - I know Besson is an acquired taste, idiosyncratic storylines, tendency to introduce cheesy humour, but he also has a huge vision and creates amazing visuals, plus he's always had strong and very likeable female leads and I admire his singular approach. I love all his movies.
Haven't watched it yet, but it's on my list.  Maybe we'll watch it tonight.

On the other hand, we spent the whole holiday vacation binge-watching all of the Marvel movies, because I got dates all kind of wrong and thought that Thor: Ragnarok came out on Blu-Ray 12/31.  But I was wrong.  Still, I like a good superhero movie.

Unfortunately DC seems unable to make a good superhero movie.  Great casting, great acting, and Wonder Woman was still a serious let down :(
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I think I've seen a few articles that suggest that people tend to trend right as they grow older.
eg: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-young-old-politics

I'm getting further and further left as I grow older. :D
Me too.

I think it's a conflation of liberal with left and conservative with right.  I don't think it's necessarily left/right that shifts over time, so much as it's liberal/conservative.  Humans tend to become more risk averse as they age, and less willing to try new things.  They're more likely to prefer sticking with the status quo (the devil you know).