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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

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Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #1
that's all of them but Islam. Right?
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Reply #2
that's all of them but Islam. Right?

No, but it is one of the lying ones.

I would exclude the knowledge and wisdom seeking religions like Buddhism, Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians as those place man above God where we belong given that we created all the Gods.

Regards
DL.

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Reply #3
Oh no. The gnostics are the worst. Every last one of them that I've ever encountered is a racist sexist asshole. Not like the muslims I've known, polite, humble helpful.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #4
I met a Gnostic once. Not sure what I think of him.

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #5
Thanks guys.

Regards
DL

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #6
no

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Reply #7

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Reply #8
You're welcome!

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #9
Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

How would you go about demonstrating the lies?

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Reply #10
Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

How would you go about demonstrating the lies?

By asking for the facts that led to the conclusion.

If there is a logic or fact trail then the statement is likely true.

If there is none, then it is just an personal opinion. If that has been presented as fact, it would be seen to be a lie.

Regards
DL
Regards
DL

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #11
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #12
Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

How would you go about demonstrating the lies?

By asking for the facts that led to the conclusion.

If there is a logic or fact trail then the statement is likely true.

If there is none, then it is just an personal opinion. If that has been presented as fact, it would be seen to be a lie.

Regards
DL
Regards
DL
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Reply #13
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

Yes. To a Gnostic Christian, since we think man is the greatest of all creations, and we are in a sense Gods, as that word means the epitome of all creations as well, the spark of God is just the life force that is keeping you alive.

We are naturalists and if you try to think like one, what I put becomes easy to understand. At least it is simple to me but I do recognize that many are literal in their definition of words like God. Atheists tend to try to dissuade me from using the word God because they cannot thing in terms of a non-supernatural God even though the ancient emperors used to name themselves God and their son as sons of God. In that sense, atheists are as stuck in literal reading of myths as fundamental Christians.

It hinders their understanding of Gnostic Christianity and our way of thinking, which is the closest thing to atheism while staying more agnostic, which is translated as Gnostic in the more Eastern traditions.

Regards
DL


 

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Reply #14
Good Lord. Get your head out of your ass and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before it's too late.

G-d loves you and is waiting for you. All you have to do is say, "Yes."

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Reply #15
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

Yes. To a Gnostic Christian, since we think man is the greatest of all creations, and we are in a sense Gods, as that word means the epitome of all creations as well, the spark of God is just the life force that is keeping you alive.

We are naturalists and if you try to think like one, what I put becomes easy to understand. At least it is simple to me but I do recognize that many are literal in their definition of words like God. Atheists tend to try to dissuade me from using the word God because they cannot thing in terms of a non-supernatural God even though the ancient emperors used to name themselves God and their son as sons of God. In that sense, atheists are as stuck in literal reading of myths as fundamental Christians.

It hinders their understanding of Gnostic Christianity and our way of thinking, which is the closest thing to atheism while staying more agnostic, which is translated as Gnostic in the more Eastern traditions.

Regards
DL




That won't work. Experiments to find this spark (or life force) have failed, and vitalism is now a superseded scientific theory. Plus, the whole idea of this nonexistent spark being released from its captivity in matter and re-establishing its connection with whatever you call God is nonevidential as well.

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Reply #16
Good Lord. Get your head out of your ass and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before it's too late.

G-d loves you and is waiting for you. All you have to do is say, "Yes."

I don't like genocidal son murdering pricks, God or not.

What do you find lovable in such a vile a hole of a God?

It is certainly not his moral sense.

Regards
DL

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Reply #17
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

Yes. To a Gnostic Christian, since we think man is the greatest of all creations, and we are in a sense Gods, as that word means the epitome of all creations as well, the spark of God is just the life force that is keeping you alive.

We are naturalists and if you try to think like one, what I put becomes easy to understand. At least it is simple to me but I do recognize that many are literal in their definition of words like God. Atheists tend to try to dissuade me from using the word God because they cannot thing in terms of a non-supernatural God even though the ancient emperors used to name themselves God and their son as sons of God. In that sense, atheists are as stuck in literal reading of myths as fundamental Christians.

It hinders their understanding of Gnostic Christianity and our way of thinking, which is the closest thing to atheism while staying more agnostic, which is translated as Gnostic in the more Eastern traditions.

Regards
DL




That won't work. Experiments to find this spark (or life force) have failed, and vitalism is now a superseded scientific theory. Plus, the whole idea of this nonexistent spark being released from its captivity in matter and re-establishing its connection with whatever you call God is nonevidential as well.


I agree.

All that the spark of God represents is our life force.

We have no supernatural beliefs, but we do have life.

Regards
DL

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #18
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

Yes. To a Gnostic Christian, since we think man is the greatest of all creations, and we are in a sense Gods, as that word means the epitome of all creations as well, the spark of God is just the life force that is keeping you alive.

We are naturalists and if you try to think like one, what I put becomes easy to understand. At least it is simple to me but I do recognize that many are literal in their definition of words like God. Atheists tend to try to dissuade me from using the word God because they cannot thing in terms of a non-supernatural God even though the ancient emperors used to name themselves God and their son as sons of God. In that sense, atheists are as stuck in literal reading of myths as fundamental Christians.

It hinders their understanding of Gnostic Christianity and our way of thinking, which is the closest thing to atheism while staying more agnostic, which is translated as Gnostic in the more Eastern traditions.

Regards
DL




That won't work. Experiments to find this spark (or life force) have failed, and vitalism is now a superseded scientific theory. Plus, the whole idea of this nonexistent spark being released from its captivity in matter and re-establishing its connection with whatever you call God is nonevidential as well.


I agree.

All that the spark of God represents is our life force.

We have no supernatural beliefs, but we do have life.

Regards
DL
I'm with you, as long as this "life force" is nothing more than the chemical reactions that keep you alive.

If you're not positing something that is beyond the natural world, then your beliefs are not supernatural.

So I guess the pivotal question is this:

What do you believe happens to this "spark" or "life force" when the body dies?

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #19
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

Yes. To a Gnostic Christian, since we think man is the greatest of all creations, and we are in a sense Gods, as that word means the epitome of all creations as well, the spark of God is just the life force that is keeping you alive.

We are naturalists and if you try to think like one, what I put becomes easy to understand. At least it is simple to me but I do recognize that many are literal in their definition of words like God. Atheists tend to try to dissuade me from using the word God because they cannot thing in terms of a non-supernatural God even though the ancient emperors used to name themselves God and their son as sons of God. In that sense, atheists are as stuck in literal reading of myths as fundamental Christians.

It hinders their understanding of Gnostic Christianity and our way of thinking, which is the closest thing to atheism while staying more agnostic, which is translated as Gnostic in the more Eastern traditions.

Regards
DL


 


so you're just an egotistical atheist calling yourself 'gnostic', you should call yourself a Bright instead.

Jesus will still accept your repentance.

Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #20
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

Yes. To a Gnostic Christian, since we think man is the greatest of all creations, and we are in a sense Gods, as that word means the epitome of all creations as well, the spark of God is just the life force that is keeping you alive.

We are naturalists and if you try to think like one, what I put becomes easy to understand. At least it is simple to me but I do recognize that many are literal in their definition of words like God. Atheists tend to try to dissuade me from using the word God because they cannot thing in terms of a non-supernatural God even though the ancient emperors used to name themselves God and their son as sons of God. In that sense, atheists are as stuck in literal reading of myths as fundamental Christians.

It hinders their understanding of Gnostic Christianity and our way of thinking, which is the closest thing to atheism while staying more agnostic, which is translated as Gnostic in the more Eastern traditions.

Regards
DL




That won't work. Experiments to find this spark (or life force) have failed, and vitalism is now a superseded scientific theory. Plus, the whole idea of this nonexistent spark being released from its captivity in matter and re-establishing its connection with whatever you call God is nonevidential as well.


I agree.

All that the spark of God represents is our life force.

We have no supernatural beliefs, but we do have life.

Regards
DL
I'm with you, as long as this "life force" is nothing more than the chemical reactions that keep you alive.

If you're not positing something that is beyond the natural world, then your beliefs are not supernatural.

So I guess the pivotal question is this:

What do you believe happens to this "spark" or "life force" when the body dies?

I think there might be a cosmic or universal consciousness, thanks to my one contact with it, but from within it, I could not tell if it was formed of live consciousness' or of our deceased.

I cannot see it being of the dead but as I said, I could not tell.

I do not see the telepathy required to access it to be supernatural though, thanks to this research.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM6yLngNnDY

I find the notion of eternal life to be a dismal proposition as I can see us bored to death if we were eternal. It would be torture more than a reward.

Regards
DL






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Reply #21
You said you would exclude Gnostic Christians. Do you know of a "logic or fact trail" for the Divine Spark?

Yes. To a Gnostic Christian, since we think man is the greatest of all creations, and we are in a sense Gods, as that word means the epitome of all creations as well, the spark of God is just the life force that is keeping you alive.

We are naturalists and if you try to think like one, what I put becomes easy to understand. At least it is simple to me but I do recognize that many are literal in their definition of words like God. Atheists tend to try to dissuade me from using the word God because they cannot thing in terms of a non-supernatural God even though the ancient emperors used to name themselves God and their son as sons of God. In that sense, atheists are as stuck in literal reading of myths as fundamental Christians.

It hinders their understanding of Gnostic Christianity and our way of thinking, which is the closest thing to atheism while staying more agnostic, which is translated as Gnostic in the more Eastern traditions.

Regards
DL


 


so you're just an egotistical atheist calling yourself 'gnostic', you should call yourself a Bright instead.

Jesus will still accept your repentance.

Unlike you, I have nothing that I was condemned for and have no need to repent.

What was your great sin that deserves your many years of senseless and purposeless torture in hell.

Regards
DL
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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
Reply #22
Whatever Brightest I Am

Can a mod change Greatest Iam to Brightest Iam?

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Reply #23
Whatever Brightest I Am

Can a mod change Greatest Iam to Brightest Iam?

Good of you to recognize my worth.

Regards
DL

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Reply #24
$36?
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor