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  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #25
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
These defenses are
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #26
What the hell is wrong with you "Socrates" ?
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #27
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.

  • RickB
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #28
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.


Yes, somebody really could.
Unless you are also going to assert that water flowing downhill is intelligent or roundish rocks are intelligent.


  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #29
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.


Yes, somebody really could.
Unless you are also going to assert that water flowing downhill is intelligent or roundish rocks are intelligent.


I do not work with analogies. That just leads to time wasting disagreements about the analogy itself.
Nobody can deny that the defenses listed are intelligent.

Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #30

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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
If only there was some evidence that you understand, or just some other people with that opinion.
  • Last Edit: June 14, 2018, 12:36:08 AM by Saunt Taunga

Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #31
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Examples of camouflage methods apparently used by both plants and animals include:

Background matching - blending with the colours of shapes of the habitat where they live.
Disruptive coloration - markings that create the appearance of false edges and boundaries, making it harder to see the true outline.
Masquerade - looking like something else; usually something a predator might ignore, such a stone or twig. Examples include living stones, some cacti, passion vines and mistletoes.
Decoration - accumulating material from the environment. For example, some coastal and dune plants get covered by sand because of their sticky glandular trichomes, making them less conspicuous.

These are intelligent modes of defense designed/engineered by Nature.
Looks like nobody is able to deal with this. I understand.
If only there was some evidence that you understand, or just some other people with that opinion.
But there is nothing.
  • Last Edit: June 14, 2018, 12:37:44 AM by Saunt Taunga

Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #32
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.


Yes, somebody really could.
Unless you are also going to assert that water flowing downhill is intelligent or roundish rocks are intelligent.


I do not work with analogies. That just leads to time wasting disagreements about the analogy itself.
So no difference.
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Nobody can deny that the defenses listed are intelligent.
"Intelligent" is a bit vague. It could work as "would require intelligence if humans did it". Is that the meaning you are looking for?

  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #33
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.


Yes, somebody really could.
Unless you are also going to assert that water flowing downhill is intelligent or roundish rocks are intelligent.


I do not work with analogies. That just leads to time wasting disagreements about the analogy itself.
Nobody can deny that the defenses listed are intelligent.
Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.

Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #34
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.


Yes, somebody really could.
Unless you are also going to assert that water flowing downhill is intelligent or roundish rocks are intelligent.


I do not work with analogies. That just leads to time wasting disagreements about the analogy itself.
Nobody can deny that the defenses listed are intelligent.
Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.

Can you tell us more about the engineering part?

  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #35

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #36
You appear to have misread.
There's nothing in that article about "engineering".
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #37

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

The defense mechanisms employed by plants and animals are called intelligent when employed by humans.

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #38
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.


Yes, somebody really could.
Unless you are also going to assert that water flowing downhill is intelligent or roundish rocks are intelligent.


I do not work with analogies. That just leads to time wasting disagreements about the analogy itself.
Nobody can deny that the defenses listed are intelligent.
Complex, yes, intelligent, no.

Come on, sucky, it's really simple. No intelligence, defined as intentional decisions and execution. Plants have no intentions. They grow. Ones that possess mutations that are beneficial (in that time and place) tend to grow and persist better. Ones that possess mutations that are deleterious (in that time and place) tend to not grow and persist and so dwindle as a population. If that trend continues for long enough, those lineages will become extinct. That's all there is.
Are we there yet?

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #39
These defenses are intelligent. Nobody can deny that.


Yes, somebody really could.
Unless you are also going to assert that water flowing downhill is intelligent or roundish rocks are intelligent.


I do not work with analogies. That just leads to time wasting disagreements about the analogy itself.
Nobody can deny that the defenses listed are intelligent.
Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
That's your opinion. Do you have anything to support it?
Are we there yet?

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #40

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

The defense mechanisms employed by plants and animals are called intelligent when employed by humans.
That's because humans employ them intentionally. Not as a direct result of random mutation and natural selection.
Are we there yet?

  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #41

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

The defense mechanisms employed by plants and animals are called intelligent when employed by humans.
That's because humans employ them intentionally. Not as a direct result of random mutation and natural selection.
Humans came into being not through random mutation and natural selection?

Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #42

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

The defense mechanisms employed by plants and animals are called intelligent when employed by humans.
That's because humans employ them intentionally. Not as a direct result of random mutation and natural selection.
Humans came into being not through random mutation and natural selection?
Yes (close enough), that's why humans are full of suboptimal features.

  • Monad
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #43
'Socrates' needs to learn some basic logic (ironically)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #44
'Socrates' needs to learn some basic logic (ironically)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake
Wouldn't he need a functioning brain to do that?
Are we there yet?

  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #45

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

The defense mechanisms employed by plants and animals are called intelligent when employed by humans.
But if you choose to not call it intelligent when you see it in plants and animals (other than humans) that is of course your call.

  • RickB
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #46

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

The defense mechanisms employed by plants and animals are called intelligent when employed by humans.
But if you choose to not call it intelligent when you see it in plants and animals (other than humans) that is of course your call.

Sure it is.  But we would be abdicating our own intelligence if we were to simply accept your BS explanation.


Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #47

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Not only are they intelligent in design but wonderfully executed/engineered.
There is wonderful material here about the engineering of trichomes:
https://www.leafly.ca/news/cannabis-101/what-are-trichomes-on-cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

The defense mechanisms employed by plants and animals are called intelligent when employed by humans.
But if you choose to not call it intelligent when you see it in plants and animals (other than humans) that is of course your call.
Since one of the suboptimal features in human psychology is the tendency to assign agency where there is none, it would be wise to be distrustful of perceived intelligence in nature.

  • socrates1
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #48
This intelligence of the camouflage of plants and animals is just the tiniest tip of the iceberg of the intelligence of Nature. Intelligence manifests everywhere in Nature on planet Earth. You can see it everywhere if you simply look. 

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: Like Animals, Plants Also Camouflage Themselves For Protection
Reply #49
It's so true! 
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins